Did The Early Church Teach Calvinism? 🤔

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, briefly discusses whether Calvinism was taught in the early church or not.

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[trebmaster]

YES! I'm going to keep saying this until Leighton considers it: give the "A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs" author David Bercot (Scroll Publshing/ The Historic Faith) a call. He would be an excellent guest on the show to discuss this topic. He has a huge volume on most available quotes of the church fathers arranged by topic and wrote several easy-to-read novels on the early Christians.

[mico]

I was visiting at a friend's Church on Sunday because his son was being Baptised and I wanted to show my support for him and the preacher was saying things I didn't agree wit and at one point he said you may not be a member of this Church, maybe your Just a follower of Jesus and I realized I'm just a follower of Jesus 🙂

[geertjekneefel]

Thank God since OT up to Lord Jesus Himself and all His disciples, apostle Paul and Church Fathers before Augustine had never taught this gnostic nonsense

[ejt]

This is perfect. Exactly what Sot101 should do more of👍

[jackdaw]

They also didn't teach Once Saved Always Saved

[GhostBearCommander]

Essentially, Reformed Theology was made up roughly half a millenia after Jesus.

So much for Calvinists being Sola Scriptura.

[kevinjanghj]

Augustine of Hippo's teachings on predestination is very ironically sidelined in all the other branches of traditional trinitarian Christianity, such as the Assyrian Church of the East, the Eastern Orthodox churches, Oriental Orthodox churches, and even the Roman Catholic church which was most closely influenced by his thought on the legalistic definition of salvation. This is why Calvinism is a newfangled doctrine created by some Reformers.

[SaneNoMore]

Augustine introduced this teaching. It has been shown multiple times. I find it dishonest that some Calvinist like White are trying to rewrite history to make their system seem like it was from an earlier time..

[Rebecca_DeVoll]

Another reason I feel it's so important for Christian's to learn the history of Christian Theology.

[kyleolson]

I must caution people who will read the earliest church writers. We may be obliged to change some of our beliefs and start following Christ more faithfully, more lovingly, and more obediently.

[danielcraig]

Just reading Acts 4:24-31.
Verses 27-28 really show how the early churches view.

[malvokaquila]

Calvinism is false. If it wasn't then the plain reading of scripture would say an approximation of Tulip. In an attempt to confuse the church going Calvinists they invent whole cloth contradictory aspects of God. That way when the text disagrees with their primary doctrine they can just say:

"Oh that just God's general love, not his salvific love."
"Oh that's God's revealed will, not his secret will."
etc.

[thecatechumen]

Wait until Leighton finds out the unanimous teaching of the Church regarding regenerative baptism is 😳

[michealferrell]

1 Corinthians 2:14

[14] The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

[briankristensen]

Thank you for this "protestant" fight.
Orthodox Church here I come

[caleschnell]

It has a lot to do with men believing that God operates no differently than an anthropogenic being. They truly do not believe God's ways are higher than our ways.

[musicinspire]

Yeah. If TULIP were a legitimate doctrine, the apostles would have taught that to the Church, and they DIDN"T! "Choose this day..." and "Whosoever WILL..." Come on! Neither the OT nor the NT uphold that extreme of interpretation!

[craigsherman]

If you actually read Augustine on this, he was attempting to understand Romans and said that he was not 100% sure. If you read his reflections, he says that he does not believe in determinism and this was a response to heretics.

[jgx]

Leighton, a kind reminder to specify that we don’t see these philosophies in the church or from Christian leaders until the 5th century. Some were teaching these philosophies (Gnostics, etc), but they were rightly regarded as heretics. I realize you already know this and have made it clear several times on your program.

[kevinkleinhenz]

I would say I don’t know how anyone could actually believe determinism but if determinism is true I suppose that’s how it would have to happen 😂