Adam Ondra & Will Bosi DEBATE Grade of 'Terranova'

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[cmcgl]

No matter what Will says Adam is just like "skill issue" 😂

[justingabriele]

We should acknowledge how insane it is that Jana has sent Nova and is working TerraNova

[chuckz]

Plot twist: Ondra downgrades all V17s to V15 or V16

[johannielsen]

Oh..."Czech"...not "Chick"...makes more sense...slow morning brain with a "what did he just say"

[AndrewShusterman]

Definitely seems like a climbing style seldom found anywhere else in the world, and that perhaps Ondra just grew up more accustomed with it while most other people didn't, explaining the differing opinions. Still interesting that Bosi did 5 V15's on similar rock in one trip, and yet finds this magnitudes harder than those... I think we need a 3rd or 4th opinion on this.

[ClimbingCaed]

Great edit between the two conversations! Thanks for asking all the right questions too🤘🏽

[cheshoshotte]

I think TerraNova suits Adam style's so much that he doesn't really realise how hard it is. It's like people who are really good at coordination moves will found specific climbs so much easier than people not accomodated with the style the same way Adam find TerraNova "not that hard" (still V16 tho).

[nvrs]

That style of downright contortionist climbing Adam really is perfectly suited for.. unlike most of everybody else. Ya'll have seen his warmups and whatnot, right =P On the other hand, Will just likes to pull hard! =D

I mean, yeah, sure, I won't pretend to know much about climbing anywhere near that level, but armchair commentating is what Youtube comments are for! =)

[novadea]

Adam nonchalantly sandbagging everyone 🤣

[sneakysnake]

So I understand Adams arguments, but then it goes back to the decision, what makes a V17 a V17? Why isn't weird unique technique as hard as the board style climbs? I don't understand that. Therefore I also think that many 8c+ and 9a are just so specific, that for some people they are just easier and for others harder, which makes it less meaningful to to grade some higher and some lower and just makes it hard to compare with the same grading system.... It is the same thing, that slabs are often sandbagged...7a slabs are imo way harder than 7a "normal" boulders for many people, just bc it is so different.... Could this become more relevant in higher grades even with other types of climbs? Also I feel like at this high difficulty, different beta and different hight and flexibility of people, just might make the difference of 8c+ and 9a in some specific cases, which again undlerines, that it makes less sens to grade it. I dont think will could make this insane split drop knee which Adam does, so he needs differen beta, which might then be harder than for Adam? Does this make sense? If in a really specific climb, there is not an equally easy work around beta for shorter climbers, just an extremely hard one, then it has to be a different grade for these people, no? and then the grades loose their sense

[mikedruce]

Imagine Adam going on a 9A boulder TEAR & downgrades them all to 8c+ lol

[flip_lange]

can't wait for the full versions! good

[patrykcwiertnia]

as i remember from adam movie - terranova was his home project for couple years!! and he had like unlimited time on it. so it is very different. Also at the time 8C+ was reserved for nearly impossible boulders and no one even thougt that 9A is even remotly possible. this is the thing for me in 2024 grade 8C+ is still very unexpolered and people started to giving 9A grade even without having that big expertize in grade 8C/8C+

[jjizzler]

will bosi having a gaming headset is funny

[bbfletch]

Adam climbed TerraNova since a kid, he is very familiar with it. There has to be more people trying this but it might be harder than Ondra claims.

[ac]

The fact that terranova seems like it’s more difficult than alphane, ROTSW, and spots of time throws a wrench into things. I always feel like Will always wants to say that most V17s shouldn’t be V17 other than BOD but he is too nice and respectful of the FAs so he doesn’t say it.

[microspartan]

We are blessed to have adam ondra. i love his genuine smile. inspiration for me <3

[Particularpete]

Thank you Adam for still sandbagging everyone

[deschain]

I feel like, when Will started talking about the beginning vs. the end, this might be partially a conversation about how you go about incorporating endurance into the difficulty rating, and when the length of a boulder alone bumps it up a grade.

[Kingofdafarm]

Why is everyone always skipping 9c+ with the sport climbing grade conversation?