14th-Gen 'Meteor Lake' Could Use The Same Socket...

With the release of 13th-gen "Raptor Lake" CPUs some are asking whether or not this will be the last generation to use LGA 1700. In this video Gordon predicts whether or not Intel will pull an AMD and release 14th-gen in the same socket or if LGA 1800 will require a new motherboard.

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[IrocZIV]

They'd be making a big mistake not letting people know they were sticking with the socket another generation. Many more people would pick up Alder Lake or even Raptor Lake if this was known for sure.

[MMGuy]

LGA 1700 has 1700 physical pins. LGA 17XX/18XX refers to retaining mechanism of the socket, not the socket itself. That mechanism (Intel calls it ILM - Independent Loading Mechanism) could be reused if Intel introduces 18XX pin socket for meteor lake, since the dimensions would be the same (for retaining mechanism, not the CPUs)

[samuelrodgers]

LGA 1851 will be used for Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake. Intel can't commit to a socket beyond 2 generations, not because they can't use the same socket but because they choose to change the socket so that they can keep their OEM and motherboadr partners happy. Being realistic, most people who bought Alder Lake when it came out won't upgrade to Raptor Lake and will instead upgrade to Meteor Lake or Arrow Lake which means that they have to get a whole new expensive motherboard along with their new expensive CPU.

[johndoh]

No, Intel CAN'T use the current socket for Meteor Lake. Meteor Lake is a new architecture and Intel uses a socket for 2 generations. A new architecture gets a new socket. If Intel were to slave Meteor Lake to LGA-1700 in its current form, it means the gen AFTER that one is also using the same socket and there is no way in hell Intel wants to do that, nor do they want to get their architecture development out of sync with new sockets. That makes ZERO sense.

[__aceofspades]

I bought a 13600k after seeing the glowing reviews, I'd love the opportunity to upgrade to 14th gen, but will likely be happy with my 13600k for a long time, so its not a big deal to me

[Ja-K]

I went from 2700 to 3600x to 5800x all on the same board. The sheer convenience of just swapping the cpu is so nice that I'm def not buying into another doa socket anymore.

[sodiumvapor]

Meteor Lake will use the new LGA 1851 socket, no doubt. It also wouldn't make any sense to put meteor on 1700 because it will be DDR5 only.

[MistyKathrine]

If a board only has 1700 pins but a CPU requires 1851 pins, the CPU wont work in that socket, period.

[mymemeplex]

With my upgrade cycle at 10+ years, I don't really care... i7-2600 on its last legs now, probably going 13700k before the end of the year

[techgamer]

I don't think it will either as DDR5 will need to be pushed by the time the newer chips come out things need to move forward though I would like 3 generations (when possible) of chips to be in the same motherboard that would be nice. Got to cut down on e-waste

[maciekgut]

Why didn't you mention financial consequences for Intel itself and Intel's motherboard partners?
You mentioned legal perspective. Any idea if Intel makes sure that their partner's profits are safeguarded?
Also: what about environmental impact of Intel's approach?

[nick-dogg]

I cant wait for Intel makes a more power efficient cpu that can compete with the m2.

[JuanDiaz-jorw]

I saw online that Intel wants to make money from new boards too, not just from the new CPUs. It sucks because I'm building a new rig now. My current PC is 10 years old and turned it into a MAME ARCADE MACHINE. I decided to build a new one with the 13th gen CPU and a 4080 Suprim GPU. I was hoping for future CPUs to support the 1700 socket so I could just upgrade the CPU in the future. There is no way I'll be building another rig just to have 14th gen CPUs

[JoeWayne]

There’s a reason you go to AMD forums it’s swamped with people having motherboard compatibility problems that the only fix is flash the bios and start again.
I’ve had to reinstall everything every year on my ryzen PC just random restarting, blue screening, wifi drivers, Bluetooth drivers … like it definitely makes the systems less stable

[illanoizegaming]

It would be better to have 3-4 generations. If intel is worried about potential problems than perhaps it shouldn’t be supported on lower end boards. Usually the Z series motherboards are overbuilt and have higher end components and better cooling compared to mid and lower range boards. I don’t see why they can’t support it. Intel if you’re reading support Meteor lake on Z690-790 motherboards. Thank you.

[romeozor]

Current gen everything is incredibly expensive. Mid-range motherboards are priced at previous gen premium, and there's no entry level anything, or they are so stripped down, doesn't event make sense to put them on micro-ATX. Would be perfect for mini-ITX, but then you're paying the ITX premium. PC sales are going to hit the breaks, then everyone will be whining that they're missing sales projections. Production will be scaled back, prices will stay high cos now there's limited availability.

[tvgerbil]

Intel still has 75% of the x86 market. It does not care as much as AMD on the CPU upgrade segment of the market. OEM business is Intel's bread and butter. New socket forces manufacturers to buy new chipsets from Intel and make more money that way than keeping the same socket to attact CPU upgraders.

[Oceanborn]

That "LGA-17xx/LGA-18xx" bit is on the bracket, though. Not on the socket itself. It's kinda hard to believe they'll have a socket with 1800+ pins that'll connect to a CPU made for 1700 pins just like that unless those extra 100 pins are in the center area where LGA-1700 doesn't have any pins right now but that would seem like a really weird wasteful design. If anything, that hints towards Intel planning to use the same bracket on LGA-1800 to keep cooler compatability. However, with Raptor Lake being a gap filler, thinking Meteor Lake might also be on LGA-1700 seems totally valid. The question then, however, is why don't they advertise these plans? Right now everyone's like "If I want to keep open upgrade paths, I'll have to go with AM5 because Intel's gonna have a new socket anyway" and if Intel had an argument against that, why would they not advertise that? I'm not expecting much more life beyond Raptor Lake from LGA-1700.

[edwardhood]

I think the most likely explanation is the the loading mechanism and socket cap will be the same between the two, but I will be VERY surprised if 14th gen works in current Intel mother boards.

[Elinzar]

Gonna clarify about lga 1151 socket not begin able to run 7th and 9th gen simultaneously

In fact, it can and its already been done a lot, you have to flash your bios with a modded one and you have to sometimes isolate or short some pads in your cpu but the cpu will run fine in other boards that are not supposed to run in

This is a clear example of Intel just denying the support for newer cpus just because they wanted to and not because 8th and 9th gen was different in any way