Leasing and 2nd Hand Electric Cars | Fully Charged

Encouragement to consider other ways of driving electric cars, as electric cars become more common, leasing and 2nd hand models are becoming more affordable.

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[marcoburattin]

you really hit the ball here! you give a quick overview and fast sensible advice...which is what you want watching your mobile (YouTube) before getting home after school run!

[andyward]

you touched on the taxi in Cornwall, my brother has a guest house in Blackpool and every few minutes one or more nissan leaf taxis drive past or pull up out side . the road is a lot quieter as there are less black cabs up and down the road .

[bmarko]

Great video Robert, I currently drive a 59 plate Prius and when I change that it will be for another Hybrid or fully electric car,  I love them, I know people who have gone down the leasing route and it seems to be a very popular option indeed.

[mikeroerig]

It's refreshing to enjoy an EV video created by someone that actually owns one.

I haven't seen a video discussing the purchase of a used EV. Thanks for the info.

[paulanderson]

I bought a used Nissan Leaf sv 2015 with 13, 000 miles on it for a great deal. Got it for More than half of what it was originally purchased, and it's in great shape. It's a great car.

[djtalalz]

whatever u r doing plz don't stop thanks

[Phooeysphotos]

I bought a used Chevy volt. 2013. I love it. It was an amazing value. Now I drive 85% ev. Until the model 3 or a used modelS

[TheJask]

I really admire your honesty with your own arrangements . Good down to earth show. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[daveg]

You should do an update on this for 2021 as prices for leasing has been dropping recently and a 3 year lease normally works out a lot cheaper than the depreciation over 3 years if you bought

[JohnySeen]

This video's a very good overview, nice one. I had a heck of a rant when you were showing the lower - mid range vans. They're still very expensive to buy outright, not so much to lease, but I was just thinking about the sort of driver that uses vehicles like that and the range is absolutely shocking. Even in a couple of years the range isn't gonna increase that much and they'd still take ages to recharge even on "rapid" chargers, just crap.

They should wise up and sort the hydrogen infrastructure out and then use vans that run on that instead, you can recharge those in minutes and it's possible to create and store the hydrogen using renewable energy. The tech's there, they need to crack on and support it.

[thumper]

Heads up for all: leasing costs are based on the expected depreciation costs over the agreed period plus a margin, so if you lease, you’re no better off than you would have been if you had paid cash, assuming you have it. It’s done this way to ensure the lender is 100% covered. All cars depreciate, however there are occasions when they might depreciate at a lesser rate and on rarer occasions still (BMW Z8 for instance), the value would have increased where the car attains a future classic reputation. I always found the sweet spot to be after three years and that the higher the original price, the better value it represented, often due to really bad depreciation. Depreciation is your friend if your budget is low. I do believe the manufacturing integrity of the i3 will render it desirable in the long term. If you have any doubts about just how well the BMW is built and indeed conceived, check out what Munroe Associates have to say about it after disassembling one and charging $500, 000 for the results of their analysis.

[ChrisandKnight]

I think about having my Model 3 every day almost, i drive around the range of 3, 000-4000 miles a month and i stopped keeping track of money spent on gas long ago lol. not to mention high costs of maintaining the car that's 13 years old *place holder to get the model 3*

[shannonamend]

Great to see that Avasva has new instructions to save my money and energy to build it.

[GarytheRod]

I would love to see an 2.0 version of this video, maybe even every year
Just to get a feel for the price drop of 2nd hand ev's.

[nickgood]

Brilliant video.
Will you be doing a review of the 2017 Toyota Prius Plug-in?

[avacreativemedia]

I own 2 Renault Zoe's. a 2014 model and a 66 plate. The 2014 model's battery is now down to 79% state of health after the odd 43Kw charge and the rest 7KW home charge 30k miles. Later this year it will reach the 75% point of replacement under RCI agreement. - I had option to buy. I so am glad i rented, because i work with Lithium batteries and unfortunatley they do have an average life of about 3-4yrs - and this is about the right timing. After that they will rapidly deteriorate dependant on several factors. advise to anyone buying a EV & battery out right is.... "be aware its your battery now, warranty on the battery is actually the warranty on the car. Once you sell your car, the buyer will have the remaining warranty.(Say you get 5 years, sell at 3, with 2 yrs left). So next buyer is buying a car he can own safely for next 2 yrs at reduced performance and range. After that....the car is dead metal, as replacing a battery is its just not worth it." are these Buy Battery EV cars worth going forward. If you transfer a battery lease, your cheaply leasing the car in roundabout way really under performs and fails after a year = you get a brand new battery pack fitted free, and provided your cars chassis is ok....you gotta almost a new car :-) I would not hesitate to buy a EV on a rented battery arrangement with some Chassis warranty left too, knowing what i know about current EV Li cell technology. Piece of mind. ;-)

[RodneyDugmore]

One thing many shows and yours included never seem to mention is the total cost of ownership of electric vehicles.


In my opinion this apart from charge time is the single biggest barrier to rapid adoption of the electric vehicle for example.

Take the Nissan leaf in NZ here it would cost $41874 ( apparently Nissan wont sell it here any more) compared to say a Nissan Juke $31, 000 two similarly sized vehicles.

If we compare their respective fuel consumption 18.7 kwh/100k for the Leaf and 7.0l/100km for the Juke, factor in the cost of energy 18.9c/Kwhr and $2.0/Liter respectively

the Leaf costs 3.5 cent/Km to run and the Juke 14cents/Km.
If I commute 40/km every day 5 days a week or 200Km per week the leaf costs $7 per week in electricity and the Juke $28 in fossil fuel, so over a year I would spend

$364 vs $1456 or a difference of $1094.

Given the up front cost difference of $9885 it would take 9 years to make up the difference before you are really saving anything by which time your probably ready for a new vehicle!

- because really electric vehicles are still way too expensive for many of us to even consider

Leasing is really Not cheaper (Because leasing company's have to make money)

2nd hand well maybe but lets face it the current models are really the first truly practical models

[telocity]

I'm surprised that Mitsubishi i-MiEV was not shown as they make same model for various other car manufactures. we picked up a used one with 9, 000 US miles for $9, 999 US dollars. It could be better, but for 95% of our needs it works. Live near San Diego CA. I would also love to see a review of the Arcimoto’s SRK electric vehicle that is built in Oregon. But since this is a England base show, it probably won't happen. Though the Zero motorcycle was on the show and that can't be purchased in England either.

[jimwilliams]

not one but two white vans, hope for the future man! hope.

[geoffcampbell]

No mention of excess mileage charges for leased cars, I notice. These charges make it impractical for higher mileage drivers to lease, generally.