Jeju Air 737 Crash - US Pilots React

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Thoughts and prayers to all involved in this terrible tragedy. Mover, Gonky, and WOMBAT breakdown the video footage of Jeju Air flight 2216.

What do you think? Was it an issue with the 737? Was it an issue with the way the airport was designed? What takeaways do you think we'll learn from this terrible accident? Leave your comments below!

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[RubenKelevra]

I really hope it doesn't turn out that they simply shut down the wrong engine and panicked and tried to get it on the ground ASAP, without going through the checklists, which is why they had no flaps or landing gear.

[Riiseli]

The most upsetting fact about this accident is that they did make the runway and stayed on the runway and then bam and the passangers, who only moments ago quite possibly felt a slight sense of relief, are all gone in the blink of an eye.

[lasbegas]

Flight Attendant here. I admire your compassion and sensitivity on this very sad tragedy. Your insights on the accident was very helpful especially to those who are not well versed in the aviation industry. Whenever someone asks me about what I think happened about the crash, I just advise them to watch your channel. Thank you and Happy New Year!

Praying for those who perished that they may rest in eternal peace and my heart goes out especially to the flight and cabin crew. This hits home.

[sparrowlt]

Not gonna lie.. i have seen a lot of hard videos ... but this was one of the hardest i ever seen... 180 lives gone in an instant out of nowhere

[CallsignMunch]

737 Captain here. The only time I would make the decision to put it down so quickly like this would be dual engine failure or catastrophic smoke or fire.

If the airplane is maintaining flight, you have time to do it right.

The manual gear extension can be difficult as you need to slide your seat all the way back and not something you'd do unless a QRH checklist directs it. If you feel time pressured, it wouldnt be easy to do.

0 flap is another question. The alternate flap extension takes a long time but would still be available. I would take a longer final to make sure I get them out.

Something made these guys feel the need to get on the ground NOW!

Following this closely with so many questions.

[joesides]

My heart goes out to the 179 souls that were lost. May their families get strength from the community and my heart breaks for the families

[InChristalone]

28 years in the airlines as pilot and I have flown the 737 for 11 years. You bring up very good questions and make good points. I have the same questions

[dabda]

1:28 The footage was taken by a local flight instructor who was staying at a hotel near the airport. He was sleeping in his bed when heard the loud unusual noise. Being a pilot, he knew something was wrong and so jumped out of his bed to film it.

1:43 This bird warning/strike at Muan Airport is a HUGE issue. So this Muan Airport was constructed in year 1997, under the push by local politicians who wanted, yup you got it right, votes. There was already another Airport nearby but LOSING money due to not enough usage. Not only that, the location of the Muan Airport is near multiple wetlands (I heard 4) with wild bird sanctuary. The amount of bird strike/warning at Muan Airport is 5 TIMES of other airports in S. Korea like Gimpo Airport. Muan Airport shouldn't have been built in the first place but was pushed through by politicians who wanted votes. And this Muan Airport stayed in the red for a long time. Again, the construction of the airport did not make sense but was pushed through by local politicians who wanted "votes". Hey look, as a politician of yours I am getting us a new airport!

8:48 I just saw a local news snip where one person (didn't join the trip) is the only survivor of an extended family and 18 others in his extended family perished in the crash. Lot of local residents who bought tour packages to enjoy vacation over the Christmas holiday. That particular group of family left for Thailand right before Christmas and were returning home.

This Muan Airport was designated as domestic only airport for awhile. However, there's rumor that the airport was approved as ready for international flight early Dec 2024, and that this change was pushed when some special interests lined up. This includes a tour company that sells packages mostly to the local province and the airport being declared international would make their packages more attractive. Tourists who use the package can cut down the time needed to go to an international airport, most likely Incheon airport. The Jeju Airline planes were chartered from Dec 2024 to March 2025 to fly between Thailand and Muan Airport. Jeju Airline nornally does not have scheduled flight between Muan Airport and Thailand.

28:08 The landing localizer that was the real source of the catastrophic loss of life was rebuilt 1 - 2 years ago. The question is who designed it that way and who in the regulatory body approved it.

[TheFabulousEnby]

Im not a pilot but I know some facts.

They landed about 2/3 down the runway
They touched down at about 200 knots
They were not in landing configuration
Stall speed is about 128 knots with no flaps

This is very concerning because if they lost both engines, they had WAY too much momentum. Also the tear maneuver loses a LOT of speed or altitude. So that means they were going above 200 knots when they executed it.

They had enough momentum to land, so much so they fliated 2/3 down the rubway 70 knots too fast. Id be extremely surprised if the outcome wasnt pilot error.

[suezq]

Guys
I’m a retired Navy pilot, airline captain and FAA APM on the 737-8 MAX.
There were reports late last night that the right engine thrust reverser deployed after the bird strike and that they took birds in both engines. We’ll find out when the NTSB runs the DFDR exactly what the sequence was but this scenario would indicate that the left engine was producing minimal power and the right TR deployed so their only option was to stick the jet on the ground.
Cheers
Pieces

[imascarygator]

Super balanced respectful non-sensationalized takes. Good format letting each person speak for a while. Wombat had some great discussion points coming from a different aircraft. 💯

[stephanebrun]

Great video guys, I am an ex 787/777/744 driver and you are the most accurate on your comments so far. Keep in mind that Korea is a very specific pilot population (I spend 5 years on the 744 there) and I could write a book on what I went through with these guys…

[Evil.Totoro]

Thank you for the insightful and respectful break down of this accident.

[chrismaggio]

Fastest 40 mins ever. Your concern, respect, knowledge, articulation, and compassion was so refreshing. Your insight made me think of nothing but being patient and waiting for the report to give us the facts, not web sight speculation and rumors. And not being an airline pilot I learned some of the tedium of the job but also "why" it is tedious... in case of a Sully situation. I want my pilots to be borderline bored until they need to do "some of that pilot shit!", then I want Maverick in those seats.

[Neckromorph]

I'm no pilot or really know anything about airports, but it seems insane to me that there's a concrete wall at the end of a runway, especially at a commercial airport. I would think some kind of emergency stop area would be a requirement, like a bunch of sand or other material to help stop the plane just in case the runway isn't long enough.

[junetomlin]

My heart goes out to flight crew who may have been distressed and panicked they are human.also heartbreaking for passengers and families .My condolences from Scotland, i have been in tears over this .

[nicholasespinoza]

What a horrific accident, genuinely affected me emotionally, RIP to all those that lost their lives.

[colinsdad]

I'm a former USAF 2A671C (if you know, you know) who's primary A/C was the C5 A&B models. I was also in FE school prior to my departure from the Service.

I've watched endless videos about this doomed flight and am thoroughly confused. I've seen videos/ stills of this plane both completely slick AND with gear/flaps deployed.

Why didn't they just continue on their original approach instead of reapproaching from the North?? The area to the airports North were construction sites, instead of a freaking brick wall.

Why shut down what I'm assuming was a functioning #1, thus negating any ability to use that hydraulic system? How about the APU?? Was that running?? It's obvious that #2 was running, as the T/R was deployed. Plus, the head in video shows Ground Effect perfectly.

And, I'm wondering why the F/E position has been relegated to the history books on larger aircraft? I realize computers are awesome, but, it doesn't replace a thinking, breathing human who might be able to take the workload off the Captain and the FO?

Sorry if this comment is kinda scattered, but, I'm just thoroughly confused over this crash. Hopefully, with the NTSB and Boeing engineering on scene, some closure can be brought to this horrific situation.

As an aside, the TF39 powerplant on the "old " C5s were almost stupidly resilient. More than once, during my boroscope inspections in ISO, some of these engines had birdstrike damage that would've caused other engines to be dropped. That being said, having to clean birdparts out of an engine is not fun.

Great video guys- first time I've watched your channel, and am thoroughly impressed! Subscribed!

[happynappy]

Pilot error or not. There still shouldnt be a solid wall or embankment at the end of any runway.

[fw]

I spent 17 years working on Boeing airliners and to this day I am stunned that a bird the size of a chihuahua can completely take out a 10 million dollar engine. I’ve seen the video of GE or P&W engines on a test stand ingesting a frozen chicken and still running, maybe not full power but running. Incredible they are so fragile.