Where on Earth is Uz? • Wisdom E6

In this episode, Tim and Jon continue their discussion on Job. How exactly does Job fit in with the other wisdom book of the Bible? It’s kind of a weird book. Job takes place in Uz, a non-Israelite town, and it features non-Israelite people. It seems out of place, but it’s also a book that other biblical authors refer to throughout Scripture. We have to wonder about the differences between Job and the other books of the Bible. Is Job a literal account, or is it a wisdom parable that is intentionally fiction?

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[Gnight]

Only Christian podcast where you'll hear "The Satan really makes a good point!" Lol this was so great you guys. It has been such a blessing to find y'all and now I can't stop learning about my God and my savior. Thanks guys! God bless!

[iamchristian]

You guys are the best and blessed 🙏

Thank you for this wonderful lessons 🙏
We really appreciate your wonderful teaching and time given to us to learn.

May God keep you both safe and happy all the time.

[macsam]

This conversation about Job reminds me of the conversation that the deceiver had with Eve in the garden... Weird! My last study before bed was Gen 2 and 3 and then this message became my early morning study...keep seeking, is all I can say!

[anal.mendoza]

May the Lord bless you both from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic! I really loved this episode!

[jeroenschat]

The land of UZ is a relative of Esau in Genesis 36. vs28 ... UZ was a son of Dishan. Dishan was a son of Seir the Horite. Now the man Job could be Jobab vs 33. If Job was a King of Edom then the book of his life event shows he was blessed and actually tested. Eliphaz was also a chief in verses 15, and 16. Passing on my humble option.

[kaylainchrist]

I think the argument that the accuser isn’t malicious falls on its face when he accuses Job again after he maintains his integrity. To continue to press on with trying Job a second time, this time harming him physically, is prideful, malicious, and definitely seems like it’s a test of God’s motives and ways

[Ethanol.brown]

Respectively. I believe Job was a real person, and Uz was a real place. Because of the fact 1. There is no indication outright that says it is “fake” 2. If you read Genesis it talks about somebody whose name was Uz. Ur in Genesis was also named after a person so it’s believed that people would establish cities and towns. It’s also reasonable that whoever Uz was possibly established a city or town. Just my thoughts.

[YoungMule]

When Good people trust in the Lord through suffering we may all be reminded of what righteousness looks like

[bryceneuberger]

Have listened to this 3x now, keep getting more from it.

I find it interesting Job says God slays the righteous with the wicked, it opposes Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah.

I'm also seeing the significance of the 3 friends as 3 witnesses against him.

[angbutassadonut]

19:03 THERES NO INDICATION THAT SATAN IS EVIL IN THAT SCENE??? YOU SAID IT YOURSELVES, that hasatan QUESTIONED GOD and even OPPOSED HIM. THAT IS NOT A SIMPLE SHOW OF A CONFUSED ANGEL, THAT IS MANIFESTING DOUBTS TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD.

[jettebrillantes]

❤I love this book of Job
We have studied this book of
Thankyou and God bless you all

[solomonjanosbenjaminlashley]

This podcast is such a blessing. These guys are so intelligent and wise that I learn everytime. Praise Elohim!

I'm surprised however that you guys read from the NIV etc. King James Version is the way to go from the truth God has lead me to

[Whatsdogpee]

Currently at the 23min mark.

For several years, I imagined satan to be like a prosecutor. The Father is the Judge, Jesus is our DA, and the Spirit is the witness.

Our Father, being a just Judge, desires to hear both sides. Satan proclaims our failings—why we shouldn’t be allowed into God’s presence by listing our sins. God hears these things and considers. The Spirit testifies if the accusations are true. Finally, Jesus stands and asks one question of the Holy Spirit: does he/she truly believe and follow Me? Washed in my blood? Cleansed from sin?

Our salvation rests on what the Spirit says next. If yes, then our Father proclaims us innocent. If no, then we are cast out. Satan has a role to play and God isn’t threatened by him that He allows the role still in His court until the end of days when the role will no longer be needed.

[jasonyoung]

The Bible Project is a stellar Christian ministry that has blessed and continues to bless many. Thank you Tim, Jon, and the team. I rarely find anything to disagree with in any of your programs. The following is merely a simple observation.

It is true that book of Job says nothing beyond the descriptive ‘the adversary, ’ and that we cannot construct an entire theology or biology of the entity ‘Satan’ just by this story. But then:

1. Does any do so?

2. To say that Jewish and Christian scholars import ideas from later tradition, is it saying anything other than what is a normal practice? When we find Messiah in the OT passages are we not informed in many cases by later revelation? And doesn’t this help us understand these earlier passages? Recently, Tim has read the architecture of the ark in the light of the tabernacle. Is he not importing later theology (or better insight) into an earlier text? Is that, per se, a bad thing?

3. Is it not a compendium of all scriptures together that gives us insight that there may be an adversary proper, namely Satan?

4. Who did Jesus see falling like lightening?

5. In Zechariah, is it really true that the accuser is a friendly, benign being, not a malignant one?

6. Who is that adversary, the devil, Peter warns us about?

7. In Jude, who did angel Michael rebuke?

Please, let no one rejoin that I am missing the point. I do not. I get that you cannot construct a doctrine or a whole biography on a single passage. But again, who is doing so?

This seems to me like that sort of argument that questions where the trinity. Well, many would say from reading the entire Scriptures. Thus: from whence Satan? From the entire Scriptures. People didn’t just read Job and then, viola, Satan!

Of course, I am not concluding that Tim and Jon are denying the existence of Satan. But it is one thing to say that a given passage in and of itself is not sufficient for creating a given ‘biography.’ It is another to appear to debunk the idea itself whilst pleading in for humility.

[MrJason]

This is not a thought experiment. This is a true story. The Bible is not meant to be complicated. We jump into a rabbit hole sometimes that comes with seeking education rather than seeking answers from the Holy Spirit.

[elbaaleman]

Question ❓ ❓
you guys fast and pray before doing this podcast??

[waynefolta]

I agree that whether he was historical or fictional doesn't matter that much, but in verse 5, it's clear that he was the patriarchal priest who offered sacrifices for sin, so in that sense he could have been "blameless": he even offered sin sacrifices for his children "just in case", and arguably for himself, too.

[BiblicalChristianSteve]

That is a dangerous slippery slope to call Job a fictional story. Why stop with Job then, the whole Bible could be fictional stories. Nowhere in the Bible is the book of Job called a parable or eluded to be a parable. That is a very irresponsible point of view to push.

[TheCreepypro]

help us to realize Lord who is really in control and that Your ways are higher than our ways