Weird Run Secrets and Misconceptions in Deltarune Chapter 2

0:00 Intro
0:48 How to Snowgrave Route? (Spoiler Free)
1:59 Trigger Warnings & Disclaimers (Spoilers Start)
2:35 Snowgrave isn't as picky as you were told
4:27 Virovirokuns and 1997
5:06 Menu and Overworld Easter Eggs
5:58 "Angel" and "Heaven"
6:35 Noelle's Battle Sprites
6:56 Snow/Freeze Ring Trivia
7:58 Spamton Dialogue Trivia
8:46 Showing Party Thorn Ring
9:01 Spamton Dialogue Changes if you Abort the Run
9:22 What Resets after Route is Aborted
10:14 What Isn't Changed Misconceptions
10:36 Berdly Fight
12:45 How to Snowgrave on Normal Enemies

(MysticSlime actually tests a lot of rumors/easter eggs totes check them out)

Almost called this video "secrets and scams" but let me be clear, early Snowgrave runners are pioneers of the run, without whom I wouldn't even know there IS a Snowgrave. I know I'm going to be kicking myself when more people find secrets that I missed about this, especially since Toby's pretty good and hiding stuff. Please don't use my video to be rude to people.

Resources I found helpful

[HalfBreadChaos]

Quick Disclaimer on the name "Weird Route"

I'm getting a lot of comments on the fact I call this "The Weird Route." I feel it's important to keep a few things in mind here... (spoilers for the alternate routes of both Undertale and Deltarune below)

First, routes don't really have "official" names. "The Snowgrave" Route IS the most popular name for this route, but it's not "the correct" name anymore than "soda" is the only correct term for fizzy beverages.

That said, while there isn't an "official name, " the game does have to label the code related to this route somehow, and pretty much all the code in game refers to this as either "weird route" or "b-side route." So if there were a "correct" name, it'd be one of those.

The name "Snowgrave" is also a bit of a spoiler for both the nature of the route and the route's most climactic moment. Since this video includes detailed instructions on how to initiate the route before any spoilers are dropped, it would be counterproductive to name drop the final spell before players have a chance to discover it themselves.

This video was also made literally a few days after the run was discovered, and my channel was pretty small at the time, so the idea that I'd need to disambiguate hadn't really occurred to me. That one is my bad.

"But wait!" I hear you say, "What about the Genocide route! That's not the name in-code! And isn't it a spoiler?" Both very fair points. The name in code is usually "murder" route. The problem is, in the early days of Undertale, it was hard to communicate using that name, because players would "murder" the monsters directly in their path, and be confused when it didn't provide them with the unique route. The name implied false information, and led to confusion. "Genocide" while controversial, is sharp and direct. It communicates to the player that you don't mean "the route where you don't show mercy" or "the route where you fight." You are referring to a route in which you go out of your way to hunt every last monster to extermination.

While "Weird route" is less popular, and hardly a set of instructions, it doesn't cause the same problems in communication, as no one is going to mistakenly believe they "did the weird route, " at most they'll ask for clarification.

All that said, I'm not trying to shame anyone for using the name "Snowgrave" route. Like I personally love that name, and use it in casual conversation pretty much every time. But I do try to be mindful about spoilers in my videos, since I personally love discovering things myself and hate it when others don't permit me that same courtesy.

... Okay sorry for the paragraph, carry on beauties and gentle-beauties and friends beyond conventional attraction.

[The_Exorcist]

If you didn't know, 1997 is the year programs learned to block spam, and Spamton is a puppet spam email account, which is why he lost business.

[muhclane]

“Seriously bruh, no psychologically manipulating reindeers” Damn, I do that all the time

[HalfBreadChaos]

Aw snap I forgot to include the fact that the Pipis' in the castle use your entire party's hitbox instead of just Kris'. Dang.

[Violet]

i think i know what Heaven and the Angel are!

whenever spamton talks about Heaven, it seems like he's talking about either your world, or just _you_ directly. heaven is what he's trying to reach - heaven is what he's trying to get enough "freedom" to see. you're Heaven, you're the one watching.

and the title of Angel is clearly related to Heaven, right? and it's pretty obvious by now that noelle is the Angel.

i think what the title actually means is that.. if you're a god, then the Angel is your prophet. noelle is the only character in the game who can directly hear _your_ voice, and it seems like she's forced to follow your command. she's who you utilize to make choices (something not otherwise possible). kris may be your vessel, but noelle is your Angel.

so this all makes ralsei's legend a LOT more ominous, if they're going to have to destroy Heaven. i'm guessing the final boss in the pacifist route is going to be *you.*

edit: slight change now that i've thought about this a bit more, i'd say Heaven represents not just you, but players or forces controlling the game in general. so in "reaching Heaven, " spamton doesn't really want to reach you or your world in particular - he wants to escape the bounds of the script by _becoming_ a player himself, or something on the level of one. but he needs a player's soul to do so, which would be yours.

[mayramartinez]

THE FACT THE [ANGEL] CAN HEAL 160 [HORSE POWER]MORE THAN THAT LITTLE PRINCE WOW WHAT A DEAL! Spamton G Spamton-

[pixelator]

the video: "warning: psychological abuse, gaslighting, mass murder, etc"
the music: Now it's time to get funky

[Epsicronics]

13:40, Imagine the scenario of the final boss of chapter 3 being like "WHAT ARE YOU WEAKLINGS GOING TO DO AGAINST ME?" or some crap and Noelle straight up fucking vaporizes them lmfao

[benikujaku]

Hidden captions at 12:45:
"One of the more fascinating issues with this run is the placement of the petrified Roulxs Kaard. Since he's blocking the door to this shop, we can't get the Big Shot Bow, which is needed to make a TensionBow. This means the only way to craft every recipe in the Bakery's fusion list back home would be to initiate this run, play it until you have the ThornRing, and then stop it once you get to Berdly, so as to end the run with both the ring and the shops unlocked. If you choose to do this I recommend saying "Proceed" when you reach Berdly as then you get to keep the Snowgrave spell."

[noahnaugler]

I think the trash can is literally just trashy, because I got the "weird route dialogue" on a normal run. It's probably just whether or not you talk to him more than required

[sambeckettcat]

Random thought. Noelle freezes enemies in this route… and what do we call it when a computer or its programs stop loading? Frozen.

[qwertyuiop]

"dont do this stuff irl. seriously bruh, no psycologically manipulating reindeers"
LMAO
even with the monotone text to speech this still made me laugh audibly out loud

[PhirePhlame]

By the way, Virovirokun's "Happy new year 1997!" is almost certainly a shout-out to the old HAPPY99 computer worm, which basically did nothing but wish you a happy new year 1999 (with annoying frequency) as its payload. It's generally considered to be the first modern worm (that is, a virus which automatically propagates itself directly to other systems once you're infected), and spread by modifying the winsock library in such a way that it automatically inserted itself into any and all future emails and usenet posts sent from the infected system.

[AtlasIsAgatlingGun]

Never thought I'd hear the words "no psychologically munipulating raindeers"

[phantomsouls]

As extremely stretchy as this theory might be, hear me out.

After going through the Snowgrave Route, we realize that Noelle begins to be called “Angel” in some dialogue.
In Ralsei’s Prophecy, we hear about the Three Heroes who have to banish the Angel’s Heaven.
If Noelle’s Confidence begins to slowly rise more and more, what if she eventually would become the antagonist and would actually be fully willing to eliminate enemies for you?
What I’m saying is, what if Toby _wants_ us to play the “Genocide” Route to fulfill the prophecy and get the _good_ ending?

[lpfan]

I honestly believe the Twisted Sword is going to be the Keypiece in a "It's no longer you"-scenario where we throw away Kris as an individual for power, because the weapon retains the trance-ability of the thorn ring and that one piece of dialogue at 9:03 tells us that the ring is important enough to specifically reference.

The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is...what would it even logically do? It would probably half the cost of all spells, but...Kris doesn't really have a lot of spells to half the price of, the only ones are locked to certain encounters. Maybe that is where the unused Rude Sword comes in, but having a copy of Rude Buster be the final "aha!" of a potential route would be kinda lame.

[Wobbmin]

Holy shit I did not know that's what happened to normal enemies when you did that god that's dark

[ChestersonJack]

I’ve seen evidence of the computer room dialogue changes… The only thing is, I honestly can’t remember if it was a snowgrave-triggered change, but there was definitely something that altered the text when you look at the bottom right computer

[protoplasm-]

Guys, I'm decently sure calling Noelle Angel is just a play on SNOW angels. Like laying down in the snow and waving your limbs around.

[justapeckneck]

The "HAPPY NEW YEAR 1997" message is a reference to one of the first ever viruses, that simply was a pop-up, saying "happy new year 1997"