The fake miracle of perfect preservation!

[mreza]

The Quran itself is the most chaotic and confusing book I have ever read in my entire life, and I know for sure that there are at least 27 other Qurans that differ from each other in their texts.

[Aurora_caleste]

"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

Said by a wise man.


(This is for your ears so ykyk)

[lukeskywalker]

The battle of Yamamah is an Islamically well documented event within which many verses were irretrievably lost.

[electro]

07) SONG: Standard Narrative | Yasir Qadhi | REMIX

LYRICS
That the narrative has holes. (Oi!) (You’re finished) (Really?)

This is a topic that when you're the beginning, beginning student of knowledge you're like: “what is all of this going on here?” When you go a little bit more, you learn to simply memorize what your teachers say and regurgitate it out; you don't fully comprehend. When you do a deep dive is when things get very, very awkward.


That the narrative has holes. (Oi!) (You’re finished) (Really?)

And I don’t think it is wise to bring it up. Didn’t I say that this should not be said in public? I don’t wanna get into that issue. I don’t even want to be explicit. Should all this be discussed among those who are familiar with the science? It should never be brought up in public. This is not something you discuss among the nasajakh; it’s not wise.

That the narrative has holes. (Oi!) (You’re finished) (Really?)

[electro]

04) YOUTUBE VIDEO: HOLES IN THE NARRATIVE - YASIR QADHI INTERVIEW CLIP + MUSLIM REACTION
Preacher, theologian, and imam Yasir Qadhi admits that the Quran has holes in its narrative because of the qira’at and ahruf. Therefore, Muslims CANNOT say that it was only a little problem of dialects. Yasir Qadhi confesses that the problems are much more complex.
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Minute 0:35
When you do a deep dive is when things get very, very awkward and difficult. And this isn't new; this is from the time of the sahaba. The issue has caused confusion to somebody whom the prophet said, “If you want to listen to the quran directly, listen to Ubayy”. And he’s not some even an average sahabi, he is the master; and he goes like “What is all of this stuff?”

1:17
The issue of ahruf and PRESERVATION and qira’at and relationships between them. These are very very difficult issues and THE MOST ADVANCED OF OUR SCHOLARS: THEY'RE NOT QUITE FULLY CERTAIN HOW TO SOLVE all of the unanswered questions in them.

2:03
Traditional understandings cannot answer some of these pressing questions that are now being poked by our people outside and by our/their academics.

FAILURE: Quran 15:9, “Indeed, We have sent down the Reminder (Quran), and indeed, We surely are the Protectors/Preservers of it.”

[nickd]

Didn’t a tame sheep eat some verses of the Quran?

[electro]

06) YOUTUBE VIDEO: SEVEN DIFFERENT ARABIC HAFS QURANS (HATUN TASH AND DANIEL)
A Muslim (Mansur Ahmed) from Speakers’ Corner challenged Hatun Tash: “What I will ask Hatun to do instead, and challenge her, is to provide 3 examples of differences Hafs readings anywhere in the world.”
Well, Hatun showed him 7 different Hafs versions.
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NOTE: Don’t mistake the words “harfs” with “Hafs.”
Harfs are the modes/styles of recitations in different dialects and Muhammad said there were 7 harfs (styles): Warsh reasing, Hafs reading, al-Bazi reading, etc. (but now there are 37 readings nowadays with different meanings). Currently, the Hafs reading is the most used by Muslims, but there are 7 different versions of that Hafs reading (with different meanings).

[journeywithmycoffee]

Proof your claim! Don't try to confused people. We only have 1 book that memorize by millions of Muslims across the world. You can't confirm which one of Your 66, 73, 88 book that is authentic and confidently trying to figure out the mistakes in our book! Our Quran is in Arabic language & even the blind can memorize & reciting beautifully. Where is your original book in Aramaic? Recite it & memorize it. Have a blessed day!

[davidvernon]

And there is another flaw in this argument. A flaw that applies to Christian mythology as well. Even if not a single word of these original texts ever changes, their meaning change over time because the language itself is constantly changing.

[rationalpear]

If Arabic at the time didn’t have the diacritical marks that it has today, there is no way it’s perfectly preserved.

[electro]

03) THE QURANIC CHALLENGE
This is the challenge that you will find in some Quran translations, such as the one done by Mohsin Khan:
"(V.15:9) This Verse is a challenge to mankind and everyone is obliged to believe in the miracles of this Qur'ân. It is a clear fact that more than 1400 years have elapsed and NOT A SINGLE WORD OF THIS QUR'ÂN HAS BEEN CHANGED, although the disbelievers tried their utmost to change it in every way, but they failed miserably in their efforts. As it is mentioned in this holy Verse: "We will guard it." By Allah! He has guarded it. On the contrary, all the other holy Books [the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel).] have been corrupted in the form of ADDITIONS or SUBTRACTIONS or ALTERATIONS in the original text."
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NOT A SINGLE WORD OF THIS QUR'ÂN HAS BEEN CHANGED
Sura 1:4
04) In QURAN 1:4 in the Hafs version is says “maalik” مَالِكِ (which means “king”), but in the Warsh version it says “malik“ مَلِكِ (which means “owner”); the meaning in Classical Arabic changed because one has an alif and the other does not have an alif. Keep in mind that QURAN 1:4 is from that particular chapter that Muslims read daily in prayers, about 17 times a day.
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ADDITIONS or SUBTRACTIONS
In QURAN 57:24 in the Warsh version there is the word “huwa, ” هو but in the Hafs version there is not such a word. There in an omission or an addition inside the Quran. Which one was the original one taught by the angel Gabriel? Nobody knows. So, is the Quran PERFECTLY preserved? NO.
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ALTERATIONS
a) In QURAN 5:6 Ibn Kathir, Abu Amr, Shu'ba and Hamza read wa-'arjulikum وَأَرْجُلِكُمْ (your feet [genitive case]), but others read wa-'arjulakum وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ (your feet [accusative case]). The grammatical variance caused different rulings on wudu between Sunni and Shi'i (whether to rub or wash the feet). In other words, the variant grammatical cases (wa-arjulakum and wa-arjulikum) were adopted for different exegetical views by Sunni and Shīʿi scholars, such that in wudu the feet were either to be washed or rubbed, respectively.

b) In QURAN 2:10 the Hafs version reads “yakzibuuna” يَكْذِبُونَ (they lied), but the Warsh version reads “yukazzibuuna” يٌكَذّبُونَ (they accused other of lying). So, are they doomed because they lied or are they doomed because of accusing others of lying? Nobody knows. Both have different messages. They have alterations.

FAILURE: Quran 15:9, “Indeed, We have sent down the Reminder (Quran), and indeed, We surely are the Protectors/Preservers of it.”

[mdhumayunkabir]

Man just gave a statement without any proof

[sharonHossan]

Everyone is talking about Islamic world nowadays and moreover, people are leaving this cult religion Every day. Thank God.

[harisvictory]

Muslims claim that there are many "memorizers of the Qur'an" (hafidz), so it is impossible for the Qur'an to be lost or errors occur.
All of these complete verses are stored in the minds of every hafidz and are guarded so that they are not lost from the minds of Muslims.
But the funny thing is, when Zaid collected it on Uthman's orders, the collector was confused and said it was an impossible task. And the task is never finished. Don't they claim that there are many hafidz (memorizers) available? funny isn't it?
In my opinion, the task should have been easy in my opinion, because there were many hafidz at that time? Yamamah's war never eliminated all of its hafidz. it was just reduce the number of hafidz.

until now, there has never been a Koran from Ustman's time.

Even the collection of Koranic verses from others "verse collectors" such as: Ali, Ibn Mas'ud was rejected by uthman.
If we follows the assuption of the muslims that the quran was perfect preserved. it should be there was not an objection and rejection on a quran version, cause every version of quran was the same.

And now there is a Hafsh version.
What the heck, ... Hafsh Version!

Very funny and contradictory story

[shieldnature]

Perfectly preserved, however some one could misprint and distribute it but they are not quran, they are misprinted books

[electro]

CONTRIBUTION: HERE I COME WITH 7 PROOFS THAT QUR’AN WAS NOT PERFECTLY PRESERVED.
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01) SAHIH AL-BUKHARI 4987
In SAHIH AL-BUKHARI 4987 there is a clear problem of different recitations, which proves that the Quran failed to be preserved simply by learning the Quran by heart. Hafsa saved them from catastrophe.
It reads:
“Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you."”
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PROBLEM #1: SAHIH AL-BUKHARI 4987 reads:
“`Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "IN CASE YOU DISAGREE WITH ZAID BIN THABIT on any point in the Qur'an, then WRITE IT IN THE DIALECT OF QURAISH, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue."”
This means that the exact words of prophet Muhammad are not in the Quran. What Muslims have are a translation of 3 Quraish from dialectal Arabic into the Quraish dialect. The Quran was not PERFECTLY preserved. The challenge reads as follows:
"(V.15:9) This Verse is a challenge to mankind and everyone is obliged to believe in the miracles of this Qur'ân. It is a clear fact that more than 1400 years have elapsed and NOT A SINGLE WORD OF THIS QUR'ÂN HAS BEEN CHANGED, although the disbelievers tried their utmost to change it in every way, but they failed miserably in their efforts. As it is mentioned in this holy Verse: "We will guard it." By Allah! He has guarded it. On the contrary, all the other holy Books [the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel).] have been corrupted in the form of ADDITIONS or SUBTRACTIONS or ALTERATIONS in the original text."
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PROBLEM #2: There is no original Uthmani Quran nowadays. Just copies of copies and books ATTRIBUTED to Uthman, which later are proved that were not written by Uthman.

FAILURE: Quran 15:9, “Indeed, We have sent down the Reminder (Quran), and indeed, We surely are the Protectors/Preservers of it.”

[harisvictory]

Every Muslim makes up the fake stories. Each story to elevate and glorify the holy book and their prophet. and the funny thing is that, all the stories will contradict each other and fight against each other. LoL.

[kh.reactions]

Wow you made a claim and now its fact without any evidence lol

[lutfishehadeh]

This guy is a such a damn liar. The translations might be different because every language is different, but the Quran is written in Arabic and that’s always been the same. You guys crack me up and he didn’t even show not even one evidence.

[yemyem]

This is CP pupil whose nostril gew still flows.