The Biblical Orientation of Women and Motherhood | Mary Harrington

This is a clip from tomorrow's podcast release with Mary Harrington. In it, she and Dr. Peterson discuss the fundamental feminine symbol within christianity.

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[williamwenrich]

Many professors don’t want older students because the older students won’t believe all of their nonsense.

[jollyroger]

This is the Jordan Peterson I want to hear more of. This is the kind of antidote to the collective neurosis we are going through as a species. This is why you had the attention of young men worldwide

[adrianeragan]

Dr. Peterson, this guest’s insights on the tri-archetype of Maiden-Mother-Matriarch is a hugely important message to share with women of all ages. Her point that feminism focuses almost solely on Maiden is spot on. I identified with so much she shared. In my own small way, I am striving to help shift the culture to recognize the societal value of women embracing motherhood and the matriarch season. The latter is especially so needed in our culture. I too was kindly supported by matriarchal women from my church after becoming a mother with young children. They were lifesavers. Wise, compassionate, full of grit and purpose. We need to have more public recognition for women who are in this stage of life and contributing to the health and well being of families and communities alike.

[TimBitts]

The role of older women in society: When women are young, they don't know anything. When women are old, they know too much. Life's better when older women tell younger women, about life. The biggest disappointment for me, on feminism, is a lot of older women failed miserably to pass on life lessons, to young women. That's important because it's not really the role of men. Good for Mary.

[petitsacados]

As a 23 year old woman, these conversations about going back to our roots as humans give me hope. I think right-leaning ppl get too negative about the West. Both sexes have been lied to, but that doesn't mean we can't turn it around. This hyper-sexualized, no-consequences, all-fun feminism isn't working. I don't want a fling. I want a family.

[notrinity]

It is the distinction between men and women that God made us different. It is beautiful to see a woman hold a new born child. Men can do a lot of things good but women are far better mothers. (Coming from a single father) I do my best, but feel inadequate in so many areas. That’s why a mother and father are so important when raising children, because they complement each other.

[carlosnader]

My great grandmother was the matriarch of our family and focused and poured into me at a very young age. Everything good that was instilled in me came from her and her love. I still needed to learn the masculine aspects of myself emotionally and life gave that to me harshly 😂 but I absolutely needed and appreciate her maternal love and confidence she had in me. I wouldn't have the empathy and care for others that I need to live a purposeful life without her.

[felixwalne]

This perfectly describes my mum. She now has a masters degree, and is a CBT therapist. She went to university in her early 50s. When we were growing up, she was a Mobile hairdresser, so just worked to fit around us children. Later, she did a few other jobs, again to fit around family life.

[lisajimenez]

Ms. Mary, thank you for putting words to something I have always felt but never known how to express, the idea that we as women have an arc to our lives, and that each phase is beautiful and meaningful and worth living, and that our contributions in each phase matter. Thank you so much.

[Blahblah]

It’s crazy because after my second child I joined a Catholic Church near our house. All of those women meet up constantly and stay at home. Now I’m the outsider because I work and go to school. They think that’s crazy. They don’t care about working at all. Now I’m not working either.

[eleanorsmith]

Thank you, Mary Harrington, I could have cried listening to this. I am the last in my antenatel group to not go back to work (I have a small cleaning job I take my child with me too).

There are lots of commercial groups that are pricey and feel forced. They are normally intense hour where the leader is OTT and very in your face, and then as soon as the paid hour is up, they have mentally checked out.

I have found church groups, however, with women whose children have grown running the groups. They care, they're invested, and the kids are so much happier in their presence (I find the commercial groups can be overstimulating and too fast-paced for the children. They try to cram a lot in).

If it wasn't for these church groups and elderly women who stop to chat in the street, being a sahm would be completely isolating. I am lucky enough to live in an ageing village, so plenty of retired women cross my path, and unlike what social media would surgest, I've never had any unsolicited advice or passive-aggressive judgement

I love listening to this as the future past kids can look blurry for me. I have a career I could return to, but I feel my heart sink even thinking about it. I have completely checked out and am ready to close that chapter, so I relate completely to what you have to say, and you provide a lot of comfort and hope with your honesty

[Godisloveministry]

My experience has been the following! I noticed when women wanted to be in the work force and the feminist movement was starting, the family unit started to break down. Children were raised by a babysitter. There was instability of the children, and more rebellion and insecurity was expressed. We are in a mess now because women were unhappy and underestimated the high calling that is placed on a woman, a mother.

[RayneyKayLa]

It is VERY LONELY!! My husband and i live in a nice subdivision. Im the only woman/mother at home with my children. We also homeschool 😅 And when my daughter knocks on the doors of other homes in the evening to have kids come out and play---their morhers are still at work 😢 and they arent allowed to come outside.

[VivComments]

As a writer, I love her insight into the woman's hero's journey. Thank you!

[mary-gael]

As a woman (I'm 40) who struggled immensely when I was young to find my place in society because I just hated the corporate world and didn't want to be part of it, I wish I had access to such discourse then, because I really felt like an alien. I ended up being autonomous, choosing a job that I could do on my own from home, and then found the one who would be the father of my children and organised our lives together. I don't reagret anything because it was a journey that made me who I am, but I'm glad Mary Harrigton exists and writes, now.

[Selah]

I am happy to fulfill my Godly place as a woman

[CharlesLambert]

Mary's description of the three stages of the heroine describes my mom's life. She was a shield maiden and God help you if you crossed her.

Mom was an amazing woman and this warrior's hero.

[anthonyml]

As someone who is Catholic and went to Catholic school (K-12) what she is saying is spot on. It's WOMEN that lead that charge, weather it's getting their husbands and kids out of bed and dragging them to church on Sundays or getting together to run the charities / volunteer groups for the homeless and in need. There's a reason why we venerate and honor Mary and it's because she exemplifies the ideal of femininity.

[ChezGiven]

Mary Harrington + Jordan Peterson could save the world. So glad Jordan spoke with Mary, she is an intellectual titan.

[friedawells]

In Catholicism, there is an emphasis on the suffering of the Virgin Mary. Her suffering is listed as the Seven Sorrows of Mary which are:
1. The Prophecy of Simeon (Luke 2:34-35) “And you yourself, (Mary) a sword will pierce” (Lk 2:35).
2. The Flight into Egypt (Matthew 2:13-21)
3. The Loss of Jesus for Three Days (Luke 2:41-50)
4. The Carrying of the Cross (John 19:17)
5. The Crucifixion of Jesus (John 19:18-30)
6. Jesus Taken Down from the Cross (John 19:39-40)
7. Jesus Laid in the Tomb (John 19:39-42)

If you ever see an image of the Virgin with 7 swords in her heart it is refering to these above.

Dr. JP has spoken a lot about the dangers of the "devouring mother" who prevents her child from maturing into an adult for fear of losing him or her. The suffering of Mary is like an antidote to this because it is a mediation on the suffering of watching her Son bear the sins of all the world. It is a meditation on how she did not attempt to interfere with his destiny to save herself from pain.

In other denominations, Mary is primarily a maiden and young mother, but a meditation on her sorrows reveals her full journey into a mature mother and eventually matriarch. When Christ on the Cross turns to his disciple John and indicates to Mary "behold thy mother, " Catholics believe that Christ is speaking prophetically to all Christians, that she is a spiritual mother to Christians constantly praying for them in heaven by the throne of her son.