Why Marvel SHOULD Start Over After Secret Wars

Should the MCU restart after Secret Wars and the Multiverse Saga wrap up? #marvel #mcu #avengers #superhero #secretwars #deadpool3 #deadpoolandwolverine #ironman #marvelstudios

[tre]

we all need to accept the very real possibility that if they soft reboot the MCU They will most likely recast Iron Man and Captain America so we can have an all new MCU with the Avengers Fantastic Four and X-Men all in the same reality like in the comics and cartoons like EMH

[jameshollister]

I can't even keep up now so only character I care about is spiderman

[zmeylore]

I think (or should I say I hope) that the Multiverse Saga is taking a different path than we have previously seen. We saw the same story from different perspectives, complementing the entire MCU timeline. We had two and a half teams that ended up being the Avengers. And I like the idea presented in Loki, but only if you consider it in the context of producing projects, not a story. That is, we will have several teams (FF, X-Men, Avengers (several options, Guardians, Sons of Midnight, etc.) that will sometimes intersect to battle a major villain.

The fourth phase of the MCU is very similar to the Civil War period. There is no team, everyone is dispersed and minding their own business. To get back together in Infinity War (in this film, it was necessary to force the characters to look for each other or accidentally bump heads). This is the same thing that is happening now. I'm sure that Avengers 5 will have exactly the same opening as Infinity War. Kang (or no matter who) will come and everyone will be looking for old flip phones to call, or they will meet at one point in the middle of fucking space. Only these will not be isolated heroes, but teams (I am sure that everyone will appear there, including the X-Men) or pieces of teams.

That's why I don't want a reboot. In the next Saga, I want to look at teams, or at least team-ups, and not solo stories. And so that there are several plots, separate for each team or group of characters. I mean, at first we had separate solo stories in the Infinity Saga. In the Multiverse Saga we see different teams coming together. And in the next Saga I'm waiting for team stories.

[billthevoice]

Keep in mind that in Hickman's Secret Wars, a handful of characters were outside of time/reality during Doom-Strange-Molecule Man's reset, so there's a defendable path to carrying over a select set of actors into the Nu-MCU. Agreed that debuting the mutants and FF would be bitter if they got over-written so quickly. The FF would be easy to justify; X-Men though? I would suggest Fiege waits on them until after SW if SW wasn't gonna be another 4, 5, 6 yrs away. Tough call there.

[SimoneSaviolo]

Marvel had a huge constraint when they started the MCU without their biggest characters (Spider-Man, the X-Men, the FF), but they turned that around by developing their other, lesser-known characters into well-rounded persons (well, except for Thor, whose role keeps changing every time he appears on the screen). The general public had no idea who Iron Man was in 2007, but the writers and RDJ were able to make Tony Stark possibly the hugest comic book hero ever. The same goes for Captain America, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and even Black Widow. I'm kinda afraid that if they were to start anew with all the franchises available we'd end up with a low-quality rendition of, say, Susan Grey, because "come on, who doesn't know about Susan Grey? It'll be a success just because she's in there!".

[finzard]

If they do a reboot, I would like it to be a lot more of a retcon style attempt than just remaking everything. I would love to see marvel keep as many of the original movies as they can and then just rework some of the other movies to fit into new narratives such as avengers civil war being a movie based on the avengers going to war with the x men. They could either have it replace cap civil war and have the avengers be forced to disband due to the damage they cause or make it a prequel to cap civil war in which perhaps things stay very similar except the sokovia accords are actually about the damage caused by the avengers fighting the x men in sokovia as opposed to ultron and then they can bring ultron in as the rebooted post thanos villain.

[mainaksamanta]

Honestly in the Multiverse Saga they should have started with new universes with their own main stories which would then converge in a Avengers like plot, like multiverse of madness or doomsday.... In that way the variety would have made more sense. More variety in the same universe just doesnt work

[Jameswebbtelescope]

0:49 that’s why blue beetle didn’t do too good

[VirendraPanwar]

Loved your take, keep making such video❤

[sanketvaria]

It's definitely gonna reboot because if you look at the timeline it makes the logical sense. Even after fox merge, there is a contract that Fox/marvel/disney cannot hire any new actor for the same mutant character from fox xmen universe until year 2025. Which is why we never saw x-men in MCU, and when we do see them, it was the same actors, except for new characters that weren't in contract like kamala khan. what's in 2025? yes, kang dynasty and secret wars, and stories like these do reboots in comic most of the time. Even fantastic 4 movie is not set in MCU timeline. They couldn't make just 4 people fit in current timeline without creating plotholes, bringing entire x men in MCU is super impossible unless there was a reboot. Kevin also must know that his franchise is a sinking ship, only thing that can save him is a reboot. All stars are lining up perfectly, all dots are being connected. I think they certainly will do a some kind of reboot.

[bitik]

We comic fans know that the movies barely touched the entire storyline.

[NamiSwaann]

I don't want new actors for existing characters (spiderman, doctor strange, falcon, ant man) So I don't want a hard reboot either. They can just use the multiverse to pretend the shitty characters never existed in the 1st place. No Marvels, no captain Marvel, no she hulk, etc.

[PoYi-fizt]

They should start with new marvel x-men~ and let wonda vision and dr strange go there.

[penelopewindsor]

if marvel hadn't gotten [so far] over hteir heads and dropped the ball so miserably, we would have been fine . if you paid attention to Infinity Saga movies and a bit into the multiverse ones left and right i mean LEFT AND RIGHT they were sidling up new and familiar cast both to make a new group of avengers, with some characters taking on their friends or family member's roles [black widow, iron man, captain america] and other ones bringing something new entirely or just basically being thrust into the "this is your job new" such as hailee steinfeld's role as Kate Bishop.

last year she did an interview where people were asking her about this role and he new MCU and she basically verbally gave disney the finger and all the exposure having said she wa sstill signed, but had heard, and is stlil hearing NOTHING from them about hte project(s) they signed her to do. the actors are as lost as we are and it's so frustrating. they literally had it built up then....just dropped it off the obscurity cliff.

[lukelaps]

I just think there shouldn’t be a cinematic universe after secret wars

[RocketJr.]

Yeah reboot! Avengers, Fantastic Four and X-men and use the ideas and bad guys they come with now for the reboot, such a waist of ideas, time and energy. Also sick of old arss actors draggin on the MCU without the most famous and epic super heroes around. Start over with young (not that well known) actors, new X-men was kinda a start...

[grasshopper]

As a former outright hater of Disney's Marvel over how they tried to discard the X-Men, among other things, I thought they were smarter than this. If you're building these things from the comics you always want to end in a place where you can tell a completely new story, sort of how DC's Crisis stuff was the endcap for their comic runs. Marvel has done the same over the years in theirs, so what I thought they were going to do for Endgame, was just that - effectively branching out into a new chapter, sparsely connected to the old.

The idea I had was for them, was create a situation where Thanos' plan, didn't go according to plan (as they alluded to in Endgame, killing off half the life in the universe didn't balance it, but made things worse). I thought at that point the best storyline possible, would be for the weakened, failed, and remorseful Thanos, to team up with the Avengers, as he unwittingly unleashes a next level cosmic threat (like Ahnnilus, Galactus, or some such) which would force them to repower, or restore the infinity stones somehow, in order to defeat it.

They spend the movie figuring this out, using Thanos' knowledge of the stones, while staving off this new threat that we learn more about, that has a connection to the stones (likely losing people in the process for dramatic effect). They do all this, finally figure out how to restore the stones, and have their epic last battle with the big bad, and bring their friends back in the process. At the end of it though, its up to the original Avengers to save the universe, as it still needs to be restored, and so they do at the cost of their lives (like each one powers a separate infinity stone, and they use them together to fix the universe), which would lead into the creation of a new universe, with an alternate history (similar to the Heroes Reborn comics post Onslaught in X-Men).

You'd still have the characters of the Avengers, but the ones who were killed are different people, and you also have mutants, the fantastic four, and all these other groups and happenings going on in this brand new world to discover through the eyes of someone like Spider-Man, or even him and several others, who retain their memories of the old universe (similar to the House of M comics with Wolverine). They come to this new world, see all their old friends in different bodies, some of them with the same bodies but different lives, and because of what their old friends did to save the universe, they inadvertently opened this new universe to another great threat, that only the Avengers can defeat.

So the rest of the movies in these phases, you're able to tell the stories of these different groups and characters, as the Avengers who know the old universe come to assemble them, while this new creeping evil is doing its thing in the background of all of these other stories. I felt like that would've been logical enough, just because there are several Marvel event comics that do similar, but I think that because they've forgotten that the comics are the genesis for the movies, they don't have a good direction for how this stuff should go. While I admit, I'm still not a big fan of how Disney's MCU has impacted the cinematic landscape, as far as how studios have reacted by throwing all their money into hundred million dollar tent pole films, and making hardly anything else, let alone the overwork you see in vfx, and the conditions that forced the strike to happen (plus that Whedon style quippy bythos writing that finally seems to be dying). Despite all that, I don't want to see them fail.

Whatever you think, failures in an industry like this, means people in the industry suffer, and Hollywood isn't doing as good because of what's been going on with Marvel. While I'm hoping this will give Disney pause to mature their products to actually suit the older population that is dominant today (no ones having kids anymore, doesn't mean you stop making kid content, but you do have to make things for adults) I'm also hoping that they learn from this situation, and not try to Become the industry, but rather exist within the playing field, and compete as a competitor. Just like fasccism, monopolies only lead to colossal failures over time, because no one else can be creative and bring something new and good to the table, cause the resources used in a monopoly, can only be used to maintain the same thing.

Obviously that's an entirely different discussion, which I don't really care to get into, but that's just a thought I had to offer on the topic in the video. Hopefully they'll right the ship, and everyone will be better for it. I've got hope for them, as X-Men '97 greatly surpassed my expectations, but that could just be an Andor among their Star Wars projects (yet another indicator of how Disney is squandering what they have). Time will tell though.

[Olorepop]

Sorry but a reboot that had all the original Avengers + the FF + X-Men + Spider-Man would just invite the same problems of the bloated Phases 4 and 5 that have more heroes than time to serve them. Phase 1 worked so well because Marvel only had a few core Avengers to work with. They gave films to 4 of those characters and allowed each (except Hulk) to get it's oun trilogy.

The MCU can just continue but go back to that formula. For the next saga, just focus on the FF, X-Men, Spider-Man + Black Panther and Shang-Chi too. Finish Thor and Dr. Strange's stories. There's already plenty you can do with these. The X-Men effectively gives the MCU a brand new start.

What you're suggesting means that the MCU will end up just being a constantly rebooting cinematic unvierse, since every time it runs towards a disappointing phase, fans will start asking for the hammer to go down again.

I think it's just better to let certain characters retire with the end of their trilogies and replace those with the next generation of heroes. The end of Iron Man and Captain America should have allowed heroes like Dr. Strange and Black Panther to get more of a center stage. The problem is that they expanded way too much and too fast. Marvel has plenty of IPs, which would have theoreticaly allowed them to keep mining for new personalities to take center stage.

[malondezgiovanigalant]

they will do a reboot with X-Men like their own MCU because we all tired of marvel now

[glennwaterman]

Why reboot? So many characters and stories to introduce still. Marvel is still the top of the food chain. The whole movie market is in the 🚽.