Woodstock for the Adventurous and Responsible | Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying | EP 483

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with Dr. Bret Weinstein and Dr. Heather Heying to discuss the state of our country, the evolution of corruption, and the unified vision of the future we can all rally behind.

Dr. Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist who specializes in adaptive trade-offs. His current focus is on the interaction between genetic and cultural evolution. He has worked for 14 years as a professor at The Evergreen State College, testified to the U.S. Congress, and been a visiting fellow at Princeton University. He hosts the DarkHorse Podcast and is a New York Times best-selling author. Bret has been a frequent guest on today's most notable podcasts, such as the JRE Experience, and has been interviewed by some of the most influential and well-known hosts in the industry.

Dr. Heying is an evolutionary biologist, interested in everything from brains to bugs, culture to consciousness. She has conducted research on the evolution of social systems and sexual selection, from frogs to humans. She received her PhD in Biology from the University of Michigan, where she earned the university’s top honor for her dissertation, and has a B.A. in Anthropology from the University of California at Santa Cruz. Most recently, she was a Visiting Fellow at Princeton University.

This episode was filmed on September 16th, 2024

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(0:00) Coming up
(0:35) Intro
(3:36) Bret and Heather at Peterson Academy
(6:19) The social media approach to learning: iterative feedback
(12:01) Combating the evolution of corruption
(17:37) The benefits of recorded lectures, future goals for in-person conventions
(20:27) Cost of entry, managing bad actors, and the hierarchy of curation
(26:04) Why Hillsdale College has a 1% dropout rate in the first year
(30:36) The difference between censorship and refereeing, leveraging evolution to continuously self-improve
(32:58) Elon Musk: adapting solutions faster than those who seek to game the system
(34:45) The orthodoxy of the past and predicting the future
(36:21) Rescue the Republic - “We’re hoping this will be an event the way Woodstock was a music festival”
(40:02) The propositional must be surrounded by the imagistic, the opportunity for discovery
(42:14) Propositional intelligence — and what actually makes you wise
(45:57) The edge traversed by comedians, the advent of the laugh track
(53:03) The radical distortion of music, “music used to be a living entity”
(57:35) Putting forth the pillars of our civilization, the exhausted middle
(1:00:14) A secular thinker on the spiritual battle we are all engaged in
(1:04:11) The necessity of narrative, translating for the secular
(1:09:49) The title toward the demonic, using AI to map the pattern of the Logos
(1:11:16) Prayer, revelation, and the spirit of the question
(1:14:25) Brick-in-the-wall science, hypothesis generation
(1:17:59) The relation between openness and divergent associations, hierarchies of mutational repair
(1:20:49) A new convergence on a shared perspective, the need of God to answer prayers
(1:22:50) Richard Dawkins, winning with your own audience rather than making substantive progress
(1:27:41) What the ancients knew about the delusion of being, metaphorical models in science
(1:34:40) Dawkins’ one error in “The Selfish Gene”

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[JordanBPeterson]

Dr. Bret Weinstein and Dr. Heather Heying’s course "Evolutionary Inference" as well as my courses, are available at petersonacademy.com

[jasonthomas]

I love how Bret is willing to accept that wisdom that has been around for centuries, probably has something to it and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

[afringedgentian]

Oh I am so glad you are working together with Bret and Heather, dearest Dr. Peterson. Those two have come so far since Evergreen. It is unspeakably moving to me that people so pragmatic and rationalistic as Bret and Heather sense that what is happening in the world is spiritual and not cultural or political. I have been sensitive to spiritual warfare since I was a child and have never felt anything quite like this.
I am, as always, recommending a reading of C. S. Lewis’ _That Hideous Strength_ .
With Ruth Anne’s love

[troutcreekexplorer]

Knowing that other people are watching this and thinking the same things I am is powerful and exemplifies connectivity.

[SovereignYogi-ey]

Thank you all for standing in light, love and Divine leadership. It means the world to me.

[fiorenzaattanasio]

Thank you all. We need you now more than ever ❤

[guppyduppy]

aaah it is really comforting to hear people with sanity speak global and local isseus.

[billo]

As a Catholic Priest It is so much the better for society to hear men and women like Heather and Bret who see themselves as secular and atheist, but who also strive for genuine goodness and truth. These are true scientists. I love to listen to them as they offer so much insight and knowledge to think about. A breath of fresh air than the older atheists who are like a dog with a bone and refuse to listen to genuine faith filled voices that offer logic and wisdom of religion that transcend the ages.
Also just to add to the conversation, any complex issue I have had and I pray to God about, I’ve never, to my knowledge, dreamed about the issue. It seems to get fixed out of my control.

[beckyg]

This channel is the gift that keeps on giving

[markellis]

I have only watched Bret Weinstein a few times but this conversation (with two extremely intelligent people) made me realize just how brilliant the man is. Talk about an ability to zero in on the key points. The key point that got me was his statement that prayer to god does not require an outside agency/entity to be successful, that having prayed (and gotten your mind on the issue that vexes you) you go to sleep and dream up a resolution, or even dream itself calms your mind. This makes a lot of sense to me as my understanding is that we dream to orient ourselves.

[deeptime]

Even though Jordan isn’t a American.. I salute your patriotism to our freedom and for the world.

[faafo]

I am so grateful the world has people like these three!

[bobchevallier]

Love Bret's practical ability to relate to everyday people. Jordan's propensity to using technical terms.

[Diego-valdivia]

It really is a crime that they corrupted the universities so much that it was necessary for these 3 to leave them. Look at the pure joy they share in presenting and constructively discussing their ideas. Thanks again for the authenticity!

[jillbrownlow]

I always stop when I see Brent & Heather interviewed!

[transfigured]

We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, powers, and the rulers of the darkness of this world. Against spiritual wickedness in high places.
-Bret Weinstein (also Ephesians 6:12)

[zacke]

Already completely blown away by Title and Thumbnail this is exactly what Ive worked the last 10years on making a Mother of All Presentations for

[miyojewoltsnasonth]

Really glad to see Bret and Heather on the show!

[PaulVanderKlay]

Oh boy, there has been a torrent of conversations lately. The hits just keep coming! :)

[robwindsor]

I thoroughly agree with Bret. Comedy, and especially music, are powerful vehicles when it comes to ideas and thoughts. Combining these for a rally is a fantastic idea and will produce the desired effect, especially considering the talent there performing. I so look forward to the camaraderie of like-minded brothers and sisters who love our country and want to bring it back to sanity.