B-17 NTSB Report Details with Scott Perdue of FlyWire

Scott Perdue - former LHFE Warbird pilot reviews some of the details on the NTSB Factual Report.
Did Mac shutdown the wrong engine?
What will the NTSB final report say?
Bonus Track- Over Reliance on Automation in the Airlines Today
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[antoine]

My brother in law Robert Riddell was one of the people who perished on the 909. I just wanted to thank you all for these reports to help those of us who just don't quite understand the technical aspects of this. From my family to you I thank you.

[localcrew]

You two are like giant raging volcanoes of aviation knowledge. Thanks to both of you.

[roadgeneral]

Wow! This discussion is absolutely one of the best videos you have done, Juan. I felt like the proverbial fly on the wall, listening to you two guys discussing this 909 incident. I also agree that it would be a shame if future Heritage Flights were cancelled. Proper CRM would have probably saved the lives lost. I was the drivers rep on my companies Safety Committee. I use to harp on complacency; it will get people into trouble.

[voidryder]

Thank you for giving us non-pilots so much insight into what is happening in the cockpit. Could have listened to you and Mr. Perdue for another two hours.

[CrazyPetez]

Normalization of deviance. Big meaning in those 3 words.

[LuxPerp]

One of the best aviation videos I've ever seen. Leading us through the analysis on the #5 cylinder, #3 engine was fantastic, as was the emphasis on CRM and cognitive biases. "Normalization of deviance" has entered my vocabulary and I'm grateful. Also fantastic discussion about the children of the magenta. Thanks for all you do.

[markpeterson]

I flew on 909 in June, 2018, from Bremerton, WA, up Puget Sound and over Seattle and return. It was the realization of a lifetime dream to fly in a B-17 (I'm 67). As a bonus, I spent the whole flight in the radioman's seat, and I'm a Ham radio operator (WB7OVB). I looked out a lot - never noticed the angels flying alongside, although I now realize they were certainly there. Thank you, Scott and Juan, for the continuing excellent analysis of the accident. My condolences to the families of all the souls lost that day. I sincerely hope that Collins can improve their maintainance and teaching program, and keep the old warbirds flying. The flight was a thrill I still have trouble putting into words. Mark

[seaskimmer]

I've read everything I could find from the NTSB on 909's tragic demise, and I've got to say that Scott Perdue's explanation - augmented by Juan Browne's expert observations, is infinitely more plausible than anything the NTSB has come up with. It was a sad, sad event, but listening to these two pros explain it certainly takes most of the mystery away. Thanks so much from a long-ago helo driver. Best regards to you both.

[BigSlim]

Its great listening to people who know what they are talking about.

[spaert]

Clearest explanation of the B-17 crash I've heard. And makes the most sense. Nicely done. Thanks, guys.

[stephenbritton]

As a former merchant marine officer, your discussion of, well all of it, rings a bell to maritime accidents too. But the automation part is what I want to comment on. when I got out of the academy in 2000, it was a time of rapid technology growth on the bridge, and BRM (CRM for ships) was still in its "teen years." There was a lot of "stop looking at the damn radar and look out the window more!"

[petersmith]

Please have more with Mr. Perdue, your a great team

[furzkram]

You should do a regular series (maybe every other week) with Scott, but filmed with two cameras in a kind of a discussion round (with only the two of you) about some topic (automation, expectation bias, some famous accidents, etc etc) - BUT in a setup INSIDE the house, sitting at a fireplace and having a drink.

[duanequam]

Man, what an amazing experience to listen to you two. The old masters are speaking. The question is, is anybody listening. It appears that people died because someone thought he knew it all..Great video.

[JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

I worked in an IT environment for about 35 years. A good part of it was spent writing procedures. A better part of it was explaining to people why they needed to follow them. I could bore you with detail but there is a rhyme and reason to procedures. It's very sad that lives were lost in a priceless airplane.

[Konabish]

I had watched Scott's video on the 909 crash a while after viewing yours, Juan. Having volunteered for years with Collings and flown many times with Mac (including a flight with engine trouble along the Orange County, California coast) I have to admit I was upset listening to Scott's earlier video describing in detail what went wrong, which included Mac's actions. Yet today I'm very impressed with both of you getting together to discuss these amazing details, including Scott's knowledge (and history). One thing I'd noticed about Mac was how hands-on he was with Nine-O-Nine while on the ground. That made it difficult to hear some things, but I can't argue about them. I agree this is one of your best videos.

[lizj]

"Skosh." Haven't heard that in over 50 years. Thanks for the analysis, Mr Perdue and Juan.

[markpunt]

That was probably the most instructive thing I have ever seen on YouTube. I could watch and listen to you guys all day, all week long. Amazing.

[PanzerDave]

Scott's and your comments about automation are spot on. I saw this in the Army, I see it in sailing, and I see it everywhere including in flying. When something goes wrong, too many people are not prepared to do things manually. They think the computer will take care of everything but forget that the best computer is inside your head.

[johnnorth]

Scott is definitely the kind of guy you can have high confidence in. Calls it straight and true no matter what the implications.