Electrical Fault Finding, Installing a Socket in a Bathroom & Terrible Fan Install- Electrician Life

Electrical Fault Finding, Installing a Socket in a Bathroom & Terrible Fan Install- Electrician Life

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[firsteerr]

you watch they will unplug the washing machine and then plug an extension in and run the washer and a hair dryer straighteners etc

[sparkey]

regards socket..i had a customer who wanted exactly the same thing, i asked the NICEIC at the time, as long as its in a cupboard with a door, it is not technically in the bathroom, so you can fit what you like....regarding the fans, the centrifugal one, is for longer duct runs [over 1 metre] a axial fan wont extract properly over longer ducts...so a inline fan in the loft is the way to go....on the fan with no ducting, you fitted a vertical duct to the tile vent, not a good ideal! at the very least a insulated duct should be used, condensation will form and will drip freezing drops onto the person using shower as well as into the fan unit motor and electrics...ask me how i know! made the same mistake many years ago.

[momodouljallow]

No need to tip-toe around the grey areas of the Regs. Just cut the plug, run the flex into the Kitchen to an FCU. If you are worried about the warrantee you could have covered yourself more by installing a 13A weatherproof and dust-tight Switched Socket (if no RCD then use a 13A RCD switch socket). It costs a bit more, bulkier and possibly ugly but hey, it's out of sight anyway.

[Frederik]

9:23 I really wonder if ring circuits are worth it. I mean, they are great (i suppose) when they are working. But one fault, and problems can be tricky and dangerous. In Denmark we only use radials! But we use 3-phase circuits, so load can be shared on all wires.

[no_short_circuit]

Jordan, thanks again for video on fault finding. As an aspiring sparky I understand the need for measuring Zs and what the values should be for individual circuit breakers. I understand that the measurement is taken between L and E at the furthest point etc but can also be used for fault finding as you have done here. The back of the socket was indeed a mess but it looks like the main damage was to the N conductor. Why would that give a high Zs reading?

[HAGER]

Surely aslong as the socket in the bathroom is on an RCD it's pretty safe. Other countries tend to have sockets in bathrooms with GFCI which essentially the same thing but tend to be a lower fault current needed like 10ma. It's hand for like dehumidifier to have power in bathroom.

[paulsawyer]

Hi Jordan, great vid, just noticed that with the fan ducting as a straight run you might find condensation/rain water if it gets in will run straight down into the fan, I always use insulated ducting and put a bend in to trap any of it 👍

[chriswelsh]

When ducting in a loft space you should use insulated ducting pipe for when it gets cold through the winter months or you’ll get the steam condensing on the inside of the pipe and dripping back through the new fan !

[petetaylor]

Any young lads watching this, it is not ok installing a socket in the uk within 3mtrs of zone 1 in a bathroom. The regs are quite clear on this.

[albertsteptoe]

That's not worth the worry that if I'm being honest , I would not sleep if I did that I think .

Particularly when a young girl and her step father were tragically killed a few months back when a building company installed something like this in France was in the paper. Also the mother had serious burns trying to pull them out .

I think I like most people would point blank refuse to do this no matter how much the client insisted .

[affy]

Customer decides not to build a cupboard and leaves the socket easily accessible? Or moves out new owner removes cupboard and has a lovely socket in there bathroom to plug into.

[ashmanelectricalservices]

Jordan, you still can't install a socket-outlet within a location containing a bath or shower regardless weather it's a cupboard or not. You should have installed a flex outlet in the bathroom and a switched FCU in the kitchen, perfectly acceptable and compliant.

[glennlockey]

Loving the fault finding videos, once you've found one burnt cable would it be a good idea to test the entire circuit for insulation resistance just incase any other hotshots are waiting to video

[JoannaHammond]

Would this be an argument in favour of radials over rings?

[ARElectrics]

I can relate to the fault in the kitchen. I had a call one day where they had no sockets at all in the kitchen and all circuits were on.
On arrival I plugged in my socket tester and they were right all circuits were on and every socket in the house worked except the 5 sockets in the kitchen. I even switched fused spurs incase they were wired wrong and switching the ring (had that before !).
What I found was a broken ring in the first socket I took off which was the socket nearest to a live socket in the adjacent room it looked as though it was never connected !
Mapping out in my head the way I would run the cables I then took off the socket nearest to the next live socket at the other end of the kitchen and found that there was a cable that had burnt out. It was then I realised that this was a very rare occasion where 2 faults existed. My guess to what had happened here was that over the years the cabling got hot expanded and cooled at the weakest point, causing another loose connection eventually burning out. 🤦‍♂️

This is why EICRs are important.

[southseaelectrics]

I would put a fused spur in the kitchen and a flex out in the cupboard. Who knows what some idiot will do later.
I’ve refused to fit a washing machine in a bathroom on several occasions. It’s not worth the risk and if someone well spoken like you (or me) who has certificated the job ends up in court in the admittedly extremely unlikely event of a death, you risk going to prison for manslaughter. I would also have used an in-line fan. TLC do an airflow one with all the ducting which costs less than the VAS100T, moves more air and is quieter. You did exactly what I would have done with the socket repair. I bet all the terminals were loose. Either an old sparky with arthritis or a builder with a blunt terminal driver.

[peterhambleton]

Fault finding on ring circuits, if you end up open circuit end to end on conductors(on an EICR or DB swap) and its downstairs/ kitchen sockets head to the socket that has the kettle plugged in, some people unplug after use(slight vibration) and it gets a lot of use 8amps on off for years and never gets tightened from date of install, quite often in a UK kitchen it has the toaster as well another 8amps on off for years. Also unfused spurs from ring circuits I always do in 4mm, 2.5mm roughly 26a rated why do a spur in 2.5mm on a 32a Mcb 4 mm roughly 32a rated and it stands out to anyone following as different and prob a spur.

[ajmala]

Love the fault finding videos top notch content keep it up mate

[Robert-tsef]

Instead of using connectors in the socket to lengthen the wires, why not just remove the burnt insulation and install some new blue and brown wire insulation from a stripped bit of cable, similar to what you would do for an exposed earth wire?

[TheRossz]

In my country in all bahrooms are sockets within 3 meters from bath tub. even without RCD. Noone ever died because of a socket, but did because of faulty electric water heaters.