History Student Reacts to Muslim Schism by Kings and Generals

Today we watch Muslim Schism: How Islam Split into the Sunni and Shia Branches by Kings and Generals.

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[absurdist]

In general moderate/majority schools of thought among Sunnis and Shias consider each other misguided but not heretical and thus Muslims. There are small extremist sections among both sects however that consider each other to be evil and since Sunnis are a majority in most Islamic countries, it sometimes results in discrimination and outright persecution of Shias.

[thephilosophermma]

I am sympathetic towards Ali even though i was raised as a sunni.

[yoursolosquad]

Shia have been slaughtered and stepped on since the Prophet pbuh&hf death, as a shia, i felt this my entire life, being called a kafir or apostate, getting death threats me and my family, police harassment, and thats the reality for hundreds of millions of shia’s across the world. Labayka Ya Ali, Labyka Ya Hassan, Labayka Ya Hussain!

[Gulamqambar]

It was after the death of the holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) that the Muslim ummah was divided into the two main sects; the Shi'as. Sunnis.
The Shi'as believe that Imam Ali (peace be upon him) is the first and immediate successor of the holy Prophet. The holy Prophet indicated Imam Ali as his successor on countless occasions during his lifetime.
Sunnis believe that the holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hf) left this world just like that without appointing anyone as his successor.
In order to understand the Shi'a perspective of the successorship of the holy Prophet, let us first scrutinise this issue from the Sunni perspective.
After the death of the holy Prophet, there can be any one of the following scenarios.
1. The holy Prophet did not find any need to appoint anyone as his successor and therefore he didn't. If such was the case, then why did a handful of the so-called companions of the holy Prophet rather than participate in the burial of their Prophet, rushed to Saqifa to hold the so-called election?
If this issue was that important then surely the holy Prophet himself would have been the first person to sort it out.
If the holy Prophet would have really and truly left the issue of his successorship in the hands of the Muslims, then why couldn't the ummah wait until after the burial of the holy Prophet? When you have an election, you also have candidates. How many and who were the candidates in this election? Where were people like Imam Ali, Abuzar Ghaffari, Salman Farsi, Ammar Yasir and so on? Did the Muslims in Mekka and outside Madina get a chance to cast their vote? Where did this election take place, e.g. in the mosque?
The example of leaving the issue of the successorship in the hands of the ummah is like this. There's a highly qualified doctor with many years of experience working in a hospital. A time has come for him to retire. He's got two options. a). Go out and find someone like himself to take over his place. The second option is to gather together all his patients and ask them to choose whoever they like to take his place. Use your own commonsense. Anyhow, rightly or wrongly Abu Bakr became the first caliph. When Abu Bakr was on his death bed, he nominated Omar as his successor. When Omar was on his deathbed, he appointed a committee of six people from amongst whom Usman was selected as the third caliph.
When Usman was killed Imam Ali became the fourth caliph through general consensus.
It seems that people like Abu Bakr and Omar were smarter than the holy Prophet himself. The holy Prophet did not think of sorting out his own successors but they did!!
After the death of Abu Bakr and Omar, why was there no election? Wasn't this issue related to the Muslim ummah anymore?
2. There was a need for the holy Prophet to appoint his successor but he either forgot or did not care about it.
Is it possible for the true Prophet of God to ignore such an important issue because of which the Muslim ummah is divided into countless sects?
3. If the holy Prophet would have left the issue of his successorship in the hands of his followers then surely he should have also provided some kind of framework or guidelines to follow.
4. There was a need for the holy Prophet to appoint someone as his successor and he did appoint his cousin and the son-in-law Imam Ali as his successor. Not only that but after Ali there are another eleven successors from amongst the descendants of Imam Ali and lady of the Light Fatima Zahra (peace be upon them all).
The holy Qur'an claims that Islam is a complete religion. How can then it be possible for Allah to ignore such an important issue about the guardianship of Islam and the Muslims just like that?

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[lynxhuk]

Imam ali as.(lion of god) The true leader ❤️

[abdurahman]

Great and thoughtful reaction by the way as usual bro

[EhtishamHaider-dk]

16:53 the sources are crystal clear. Even this particular incident is narrated in the most authentic and prestigious SUNNI hadith books with authentic chain of narrators.

[EhtishamHaider-dk]

9:07 it was not a languagistic misunderstanding. It’s not logical that Prophet, few months before his demise, in front of 1.5 million people, holding ALI’s hand, just said that “ ALI is MOLA (friend)”. Obviously it was MOLA in sense of “successor”. And if you read the whole speech of prophet it make sense that MOLA, in that context means “leader/successor “

[infinitecontent]

I feel as though Ali was jammed up from the word go when he got elected caliph. No decision he made regarding Uthman's murder would have satisfied anyone. Uthman placing family members in powerful positions across the caliphate did Ali no favors either. The very definition of an unwinnable situation.

[hussainsultanzada]

Shi'a and Sunni aside, what was done to Ali is injustice. No matter if you believe the Prophet appointed him, Ali definitely deserved the Caliphate at least more than Umar and Uthman, although I don't deny Umar's great leadership during his Caliphate. Abu Bakr is more wiser than the other two and had a more prevalent role in the Prophet's lifetime, so I can see why Sunnis would see him as the legitimate leader, although I personally agree. Uthman was only chosen as the third Caliph by Abd ar-Rahman ibn Awf since he said he chose to follow the Sunnah of the first 2 Caliphs whereas Ali rejected this, claiming to only follow the Prophet.

[CoffeePaladin]

Side note, the reason why Sunni Islam is so disproportionately large compared to Shia Islam might be because in (I think) the 14th or 15th century, the Safavid Empire, a Persianate empire controlling Iran, chose Twelver Shia Islam as the state religion and force converted the majority Sunni population, most of which did convert though many were exiled into Iraq, the Caucasus, and Anatolia. So that's why there's randomly a huge amount of Shi'i in that one region. Previously though, as you may know, Egypt was Ismaili Shia under the Fatimid caliphate, during Crusader times and prior. Though after Saladin defeated the crusaders during the Third Crusade, he heavily persecuted Shia Islam as to not see an uprising from his conquest of Egypt, which is probably why that region has much fewer Shi'i than it used to.

[CoffeePaladin]

Sunni here, this video, in my opinion, is unbiased and fair. My view of it is that Ali was sidelined by companions who wanted power and were willing to go to bad lengths to deny it to Ali. Though, I do think his style of leadership was based on a naive sense of goodness, which makes it hard to overcome someone like Muawiyah. While I don't like Muawiyah at all, all accounts tell us he was pragmatic, smart, and ruthless as a leader, getting allies in the right places and acting more like a traditional ruler. Secular accounts tell us he was not a particularly religious person and indulged in luxuries that most important companions did not. I don't personally think the prophet appointed anyone because I don't believe an everlasting empire is somehow necessary as a Muslim. I also think it's telling nobody figured to suggest the prophet's daughter Fatima could be a ruler.

[awabgabir]

@3:43 The Shias problably consited less than 5-10% of the Muslim population until the rise of the Safawids in the 16th Century. Until then there was only one major Shia state in history, the Fatamid Caliphate, which formally ended in the 1170s.

[EhtishamHaider-dk]

10:35 that’s called hadith “QIRTAS”. My questions here are:
1: It’s obligatory to muslims to obey prophet so in this case UMAR disobeyed prophet.
2: If prophet is saying about something that could prevent ummah from going astray than prophet must be talking about something VERY SERIOUS.
3) When UMAR refuse to give pen and paper and said “QURAN is enough”, did the prophet didn’t know about the quran. Ofcourse prophet know about quran but despite it prophet said to bring pen and paper.
4) one thing which is missing here is that. Umar said that may be due to the illness prophet perhaps talking irrelevant things so that’s why he refused to give pen and paper.

[Hahahah-b]

A big reminder to all Muhammed ummah both muslim women and men

In the Quran Allah remind os to not Split op between muslims no sects is acceptable for Allah swt
So just be muslim and not sunni or shia
Jazzakallah khir everyone for see this and take it as a big reminder may Allah guide os together and protect us from all fake news and information and protect us from all evil and the hell fire ☪️🤲🏽

[ryojs]

Just understand Islam is not christianity which is the lenses the west sees the world thro
The split doesnt make the shia less muslims as long as they dont insult the companions

And Muslims arent supposed to split and shia means split

Also the Quran is not interpreted newly its still
1. Quran
2. Sunnah
2.a. Prophet SAW
2.b. Companions
2.c. 3 generations after the Companions

All Muslims believe in
1. One God ie ALLAH SWT
2. Prophet is the messenger SAW
3. Companions are the rightly guided of the 3 generations

If you dont agree youre not Muslim period. There is no confusion on this

[EhtishamHaider-dk]

17:15 that marriage of umme kulsum and UMAR is just a false claim. At the time of marriage (according to sunni) the age the age of umar was well around 65 years and umme kulsum was nearly 10 years. Infact during prophet’s era UMAR gave marriage proposal to prophets daughter FATIMA ( mother of umme kulsum) at that time prophet rejects the proposal due to the age difference. Then how could be this possible to marriage of her daugher after 25-30 years later😂

[ashiqhussain]

Shias believe in 12 Imams after Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and Imam Ali is their first Imam, Hussain 2nd, Hussain 3rd. That is why majority sect among Shias call themselves twelver Shias. According to Shia believes, these Imams have devine decree, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him even announced Ali as his sucessor but people and companions of Prophet denounced and deprived Ali of his right to rule and lead muslim community. It is not like that Shias want Ali to be successor but they believe Ali has devine right and was announced as successor by Prophet Muhammad himself by commandment of Allah, Allah ordered Prophet to appoint Ali as his sucessor.

[hussainsultanzada]

Anytime a topic like this comes, good never comes from it imo. When it somewhat favours the Shi'a narrative, then Sunnis claim the sources used are Shi'a. And when the Sunni narrative is favoured, it is the other way, where Shi'as claim only Sunni sources are used. However since Sunnis are overwhelmingly majority, their narrative is often seen as the usual one and so videos using Sunni sources aren't criticised as much

[EhtishamHaider-dk]

10:49 Abu bakar no doubt he was a good man. But in case of military services, he has not that much contribution in battle field. Even authentic narrations states that he didn’t even killed a single person during war. And as a general we all are familiar with batlle of khyber and battle of khandak.