The Mystery Zone

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I was asked to respond to this video and my answer kept getting longer because I wanted to be comprehensive.

This game that people play, which I'm calling "The Mystery Zone," is when people strategically or ignorantly say one thing and mean another and expect others to "just get it." It's not limited to ambiguous hookup situations, but those are the most untouchable ones to talk about, so I'm talking about them.

This behavior of disguising opportunity and then punishing men who make the wrong guess causes a lot of drama between men and women because of how blurry the lines get between who said what and what they meant and how you can tell.

So I made a set of instructions for men to begin learning how to pick up on "hints," and what to do if a hint isn't enough, and WHY.

In other words, yeah, this girl is in the wrong in her "jooooooke" scenario -- and she admits it -- but the guy in the scenario still has full control over the outcome. So we don't need any more drama. Just follow the instructions.

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I’m convinced most women won’t say what they want bc they want plausible deniability and the ability to always change their mind on the fly.

oosik
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I had a girl tell me one time that the best way to avoid all this is to just be a hot guy.

PaperStCo
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It's very simple :
Chad : no means yes, tee-hee.
Chud : no means no, creep.

jollypolly
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Girls on Dating Apps: "I have NO time for games."

Women in Real Life: *Breaks out a 4D chess board*

Danbecker
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Just to add. This woman said no, and meant no. She just wanted the satisfaction of rejecting the guy in order to validate her desirability.

Alex_reH
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I love it how Hoe Math's solution can be boiled down to "sex is overrated and if you miss out on it, what have you really lost?"

yamibakura
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In my opinion, She was mad that she did Not get to reject him..She wanted him to Simp over her so she could manipulate him.

charlesislaw
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Girl: "I'm telling you no, but I really want you to try anyway"
Guy: "okay, when you say no, but I try anyway, like you wanted, how do I know when you really mean no?
Girl: "when the cops show up."

mprdhgb
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This is kind of like paying taxes. The IRS knows exactly how much you owe, but you still have to figure it out yourself anyway, and if you do it wrong, you go to jail.

icollided
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I HATE when people bring up exceptions as if it makes the majority simply dissapear
They don't want to have a conversation, they just wanna feel like they "won"

pedroferreira
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Whenever they say things like "I might be the problem" or "Tell me if I'm wrong", they never think they're the problem and never think they're wrong.

It's false humility.

TopJazzCat
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"What are you gay?"
"No, I just dont feel like risking prison for sex."
"But now I feel ugly."
"I missed the part where that is my problem."

Live long enough and you will be the bad guy. Might as well do it on your own terms young men.

worndown
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"no means no."
"ok."
"but also yes."
"wait..."
"that's correct. i am simultaneously waiting but also down."
"😬ummm..."
[next day]
"i can't believe he was gay and/or a sexual predator."

höedinger's dilemma

ohnoanyway
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I’ve noticed myself and friends not approaching women. Even with ostensible signs. Last time I attempted - I got prolonged eye contact, and a warm smile from her. I approached simply to have a friendly conversation. She reacted as if I was being a creep. It turned me off. She came off as extremely vein and self consumed

davidh
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As a woman with autism this actually makes a lot of sense from when I’ve listened to other women talk about their platonic and romantic relationships lol

Chloe-odvz
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Women on dating apps: No hookups! I am too old for playing games!
Translation: My life has been those things so far.

rayrwyr
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This is unironically better than 99% of consent education out there.

ShnoogleMan
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Yeah. In older societies a woman’s mate was chosen for her. I am beginning to understand why that was.

coolyungdru
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64 year man. Dump any woman that plays games. Move on. Don't ever tolerate BS from any women.

larryjohnson
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Women play these games to avoid responsibility for their choices.

peterjbarban