What is wrong with Emerald MMR?

riot messed up the league of legends ranked system for the whole emerald rank grind. it is a mix of gold plat and diamond players so the system tries to make it as difficult to get from emerald 4 to diamond 4 as it was from gold 2 to diamond 4 50 LP in previous seasons. what do you think about this?

[nillnoir]

Great video, this bs has been haunting me for the whole climb. The thing is MMR doesn't increase fast enough so it doesn't really matter how high your wr is you will always be higher rank than the game thinks you are and you will have negative LP gains. After a 80% win rate streak on 35 games my LP gains didn't get better only worse.

[AngwarACE]

spot on. i was climbing into emerald with a 58% winrate over a hundred games. My LP gains were really positive until i hit emerald 1. Suddenly it's +19 -28. It swung 10 LP in the negative like i had just hit grandmaster or sth. I still climbed to diamond but it was agonizing. As soon as i was dia i am back to +26 -24. 2 weeks later i drop down to emerald, with 57% winrate now. Immediately back to +19 -29. I was so close to quitting. Got back to dia and again it switched to +25 - 24 again. They are either trying to keep you in emerald on purpose or the system is giga broken.

[happytheatsz]

This explains the quality of games this past week... SO many games felt as though they were gold and even SILVER lobbies. My teammates don't understand catching waves and as a support main there isnt much i can do

[Robertohr]

THANK YOU!!! you just explained my recent experience in emerald, as soon as I got emerald it felt like a different game it was crazy, now I understand

[vipgamez]

Same thing happened to me. Entered Emerald 4 with +32lp, after which I got +26, +24 and by the time I reached Emerald 1, I was on a 7-8 game win streak getting +16lp. By the end of Emerald 1, it started turning around and reached +22 at D4. It's completely insane. Not to mention that playing in Emerald 2 you get matched with players between P4 and E2 and the moment you get Emerald 1, you start getting matched with E1 to D2 players. So in 1 game you go from playing against P4 players, which is apparently last year's Silver to playing against D2 players which is apparently D1 from last year. And half of the players in Emerald are considerably worse than the ones in platinum. Completely insane division. I though last years Plat was elo hell. Emerald takes it to another level. You can have a Silver level support playing against a Diamond adc and win +15 for that game. Crazy

[Vaalferatus]

MMR simply makes no sense. Just implement a system with X wins needed to climb to the next Division, loses count as negative.
Plus, many things in the game are completely broken, such as: Penalty messages, game count in the Stats tab, item descriptions. What makes us think that MMR would be functioning correctly?

[EylsRichEntity]

It’s so frustrating how this is basically being ignored by Riot and even the general league community. It’s continuously explained away using general statements about how MMR will “even out” or “just keep playing” as if there isn’t actually a problem.

Emerald is massively broken and climbing near that rank isn’t working how it should. I don’t even know how you’re supposed to climb through it for an ordinary player. I have a 65% WR for almost 80 games. Still +19/-29, which is really good gains compared to some.

What does Riot want from us? Can we at least acknowledge that it isn’t working? Can we as a community start to take this to Riot and ask for it to be addressed?

[sparks]

it makes me feel better that other people are having the same problem... I just refuse to put myself through the mental anguish necessary to climb right now its just too many games.

[KilljoyizUMP]

This mirrors my experience so well. I went from P4 - E4 in 41 games, with a 70% win rate. I got into emerald and not only did my LP gains plummet, I only got +4 lp in my final game of Plat, and that was at the end of a 17 game win streak. My game quality went way way down. I was looking at my current games, I have a 60% win rate in my last 20 games, and ive lose LP, it makes ranked feel terrible. I managed to go up to around 60 lp in E3, and drop back down to E4 36 lp, with a 60% win rate. I am hoping that next split it becomes easier to climb but right now getting to emerald has halted me completely, it feels terrible to lose games after winning a few and drop down lower then when you started.

[DWalkerPT]

Last split I ended in Gold 2.

This split begun in Gold 3 and made my way up to Emerald 3 in like 25 games, getting as much as +34 lp.

Then something happened...

I rushed through Plat 1 winning 4 games, getting +27 lp in all 4 games. Reached Emerald 4. The very 1st game in Emerald 4 I got +20 lp, the second game - 27.

Although I was losing more than I was winning I still managed to climb to Emerald 3 in no more than 10 games.

Then, the 1st game in Emerald 3 got me +16 lp and that was my peak this split because after that i was losing 31 and winning 16-17 which got me demoted back to Emerald 4.

Then, another thing happened...

The demotion shield popped up and wouldn't let me get demoted. After losing about 5-6 games in a row, I finally got demoted to Plat 1.

Now, will I get at least +18 as I got demoted right? Nope, the gains/losses stood the same +16 -31.

So, in order to match my visual rank with my mmr and get back to +25 -25 I began losing on purpose, which I know is wrong but I wanted to see if it was possible.

Well, tell u not, I'm currently seating in Silver 2 with a 45% wr, winning +19-20 and losing -27-28.

Being a main support player that doesn't really like playing other lanes other than bot lane, not because I don't know how to play them but because the outcome seems to be the same.

It feels like a snowball, as in, I keep getting demoted -> the players get worst -> it's harder to carry as they don't follow pings, nor calls, nor know the basics of the game.

It's sad but I don't see myself getting out of Silver this season tbh.

[casuallygaminglol]

Yeah this issue has completely killed my motivation to wanting to climb…..tbh the whole point of climbing to DIA is to learn and improve. But Mann you can grind 6+ games, and it’ll only takes 2 games to set you back to 0lp is real sad…… I wouldn’t mind if it was like maybe gain +18 and loss -20~23…? Not 30…… some day it be rough at because of those win lane lose game matches….

[Mitke]

One word oemm, they think it makes you addicted even tho it does the complete opposite, hope it will backfire on then. There is no reason to add oemm into competitive games, very fun that i can outpeak my main by 800+ lp on fresh while playing with and against way better players, with this system realistically you need to be gm plus to win 6+ in row in eme-dia or to spam 500-1k games and slightly improve your mmr, what legit emerald-dia players should do (even tho there isnt much of them since whole ladder is elo inflated) other then buying fresh

[Bruvkek]

I’m late to the party, but one key problem in my experience is losing games on 0lp. You end up dropping a bunch of mmr everytime you do this, and stay at the exact same lp. This is horrible. The most important games to win are those on 0lp!

Can also confirm my gains went to +30 as i hit diamond 4. I peaked masters (currently d2) and the biggest struggle was literally emerald lol

[dogson]

Everything ok, untill u get +3 lp and -30 lp just because, u have 12 games win streak, so loser queue needs to stomp you back to around 50/50, giving u leavers from the 2/3min of the game, trolls, mental patients and overal 0:40 team experience. You can win ur lane 8:0, u can push 3 towers + inhib, than u can push entire mid, bot, u can kill enemy jungle and steal his camps 3 times meanwhile and your jungler is still 4 lvls, 4k gold behind, mid is 1:0 but lvl 10 vs 0:1 enemy lvl 13 and is surprised he can't win 1 v 1 anymore after 1st blood and 10 troll recalls when wave was crushing on his tower and retarded bot lane, which after dying 4 times before 2min of the game keep trying to fight instead of def farm, wait for jungle to fix lane. When jungler finally came here, theyre 2 lvls behind, 2k gold behind and somehow pushing enemy tower, so even if jungler want to help them, he can't. But wait, they going to die in next 10 sec to enemy jungler under the enemy tower trying to get platings at lvl 3 instead of go back for gold use and play for momentum.

You can't win in loser queue and even if u do, u will gain +3/4/5/10 lp max when u are on 10+ games win streak.

Riot deserves to be cancelled with their game and charged for gambling, unfair mmr which makes people angry, addicted and overal changing man/woman into human piece of sh**.

[deejayf]

Emerald Elo feels like it's an artificial change to make people feel better about their rank while diminishing the reward for actually achieving a higher rank. You just inflate people's rank. While it's nice for players who never made Gold previously to obtain a Victorious skin, I consider it a negative.

I hope it evens out over time because looking at this graph you showed proves that I and many others are just Elo inflated. Emerald shouldn't have as many players in it and the graph should look more like the one before the changes if it were functioning as intended.

[tatro]

They basically just put a bandaid on the problems. Moved everyone up a rank so they feel better about themselves and think their ranked changed.

[TinyGobos]

It just feels really bad. I have 62% winrate and once I got emerald I just stopped climbing. I get something like 21-23lp and I lose around 27-29lp. It just feels like I need to grind really hard to get higher rank and I'm already at something around 200games (last 2 seasons I didn't play ranks and because of that I was placed in bronze at the start of this split)

[SomniaCE]

Legit felt heartbreaking playing this season. Maintained a 60% winrate from Bronze 1 to Emerald 4 and not once did I ever gain more LP for a win than I lost for a defeat.

Then I had one bad loss streak in Em 4 (like 7 in a row) and my LP gains were perma fucked despite maintaining that 60% winrate for the next 60-70 games or so. Was losing 28+ and only getting 15-16 for a win. My reward for maintaining a 52% winrate since first hitting Em 4 is having LP gains so fucked up that I've dropped back to Plat 3.

In general tho there's also just huge skill discrepancies. My friends who were diamond elo prior to this season and myself who was stuck S1/G4 last season are now in the same MM bracket lol.

[juhaojanpaa]

It feels like Emerald hasn't been "added to MMR ranks". The system seems to drag you back to Platinum thinking you belong there or instantly give you normal gains as soon as you hit Diamond.

[KevinTheCardigan]

What's happening is the matchmaking is dogshit right now. I sent Riot support a screenshot of my game that varied by 5 ranks.
All the players in my game landed somewhere between Bronze->Emerald. They responded saying they try to keep players within 3 ranks of each other for MOST games. (not all)
The MMR calculation has not changed (as far as I am aware). If you're getting net -10 LP consistently, the logical conclusion is you are consistently among the highest MMR players in your game, and there are consistently a lot of lower MMR players in your game. I'm plat 3 (Shaco Jungle Top) right now but my MMR is 1869 (previously rank system would classify this as gold 2). My friend (Actually Shaco) is emerald 4 but 1540 LP (previously classified as gold 4). How is that possible? Because 1. the matchmaking pairs you with a lot of lower MMR players, so LP gains are lopsided in Emerald and 2. my friend has played a lot more matches and went roughly even win loss. To get out of emerald you have to beat a lot of gold players, not emerald players. This results in everyone needing to play more games to climb than usual, and some roles especially like support/tanks are becoming near impossible to climb with because of this. This was considered a problem a long time ago but at high ranks where top ranked players would have high platinums and low diamonds in their games pretty consistently. The top ranked player was simply the player that spammed the most games and smurfed the hardest on the plats. This is where Emerald is now. Also I just had a 5/16/5 viego top (laeluho) who refused to buy boots and guess what? He's emerald 4 with negative win rate but his MMR for some crazy reason is 2600 (almost diamond when last season dude was gold 3). He gets to have high mmr by simply matching with higher ranked players and losing. It's weird the matchmaking is not consistent with MMR or rank and it's quite literally all over the place and Riot really really messed up the matchmaking design for a huge portion of the player base.