The Trap of Identity Politics in Higher Education with Yascha Mounk - S1 Ep. 1

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In this episode of Heterodox Out Loud, John Tomasi speaks with Yascha Mounk. Yascha is a German born political scientist, author, and lecturer known for his research on the rise of populism and the challenges to liberal democracy. He has authored several influential books, including "Stranger in My Own Country", "The People vs. Democracy", and his new book, "The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time" which explores the rise of identity politics and its implications for true equality.

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[explrr]

One of the best interviews since the book release. Unusually for a largely sympathetic interview it challenged the author to expand and add nuance and context beyond what was even in the book. More common is the interview to simplify and essentalize, which I don't think works well for this topic, this book, or this author.
Made possible by length of interview and interviewer familiar with the topic area from a more academic and less activist perspective.

Some of the intelligently critical interviews have also been useful.
I thought the Lede podcast also was useful in the challenges it posed...

[herbwiseman]

In systems theory a writer named David Peter Stroh has written about vicious identity conflict and this resonates with what he describes. These are dynamic systems with numerous feedback loops that maintain the identity trap. As Mounk states the outcomes are not what people hope for.

A key feature is the universal practice of reifying theories. They become beliefs and then are installed as a belief forming a lens on reality. That forms frames and metaphors that people then adopt to describe their view of reality to others.

Another aspect of looking at this is the field of cognitive psychology and linguistics as developed by George Lakoff. We think in frames and those are expressed through metaphors and scenarios.

We do these things rather than defining problems and solving them within a dynamic systems framework.

[reader]

I would venture that bad ideas come out of the university not because of social isolation, given that many of the students have many ordinary, uneducated relatives, but that the students are so young and have little life or work experience where they could test their white tower ideas.

[carrellochka]

Great content! But please work on your sound settings! Was unbearable to listen to Pinker episode…

[inderonline]

Fantastic interview.

Please work on audio, though. It’s harsh on the ears.

[advocate]

There is little open enquiry in the uk. This is partly ideology, but it is partly laziness on the part of research academics, for whom teaching gets in the way of their chief priority (research). Blowing the dust off old notes and a stifling culture feed on each other.

[oliverjamito]

What is without rest? Gnashing of teeth separation. Is like...sitteth upon the lowest seat! Some will say who is that? Who is? Who is that? Students, Hosts, and our Beautiful will say what is who is that? Come in front! Sincere conversations = sincere answers will be given. Will be WATERED TO QUENCH! From gnashing of teeth! To shared THY 'i" AM. Who are you? A child "i" with thee our AM! WHY? Yes Even creation itself can't exist without! Now say unto all the wise of this world who are ye ALL? Students will say are you good? Keep watch! Our Beautiful will say there's a good Shepherd of Sheep and a Shepherd of LIONS! Many will say why HE distributes freely? Students, Hosts, and our Beautiful will say remember HIS PRECIOUS TREASURES! Yes, ye all are HIS PRECIOUS But...unto all the HEIRS and our BEAUTIFUL little GOD'S GLORY! WHO OWN THIS VERY DRY GROUNDS I MADE FOR THEE ALL? ANGELS WHO PERSEVERE THY "i" AM all exist! Likewise from here ye ALL know the COMMANDS GIVEN SINCE...FROM WHO LOVE WITH PATIENCE, MERCY, AND GRACE! JUDGMENT AND JUSTICE HIS Throne. Is like Angels will say look at missing principalities who deceiveth sitting in high places? What is Seat? Angels and Heirs will say? The SEAT slowly Awakening! Who is that familiar? Who is that familiar? Narrow yet many ROOMS! WHAT IS SPACE?

[JH-jicj]

Very disappointed in the interviewer here. You have a GUEST and you are the HOST. Your 'stories and anecdotes' are not what your audience are here to listen to. Get over yourself.

God, even noticing your mannerisms of closing your eyes 9:31 for pompous effect. Done. Shame as you have such a good guest.