Kyle GRILLS Libertarian Presidential Candidate Chase Oliver

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers — loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.

“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”

The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on YouTube. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.

“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”

But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news — the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.

It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.

“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”

With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on YouTube, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do — even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.

While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.

But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks — who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago — the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.

Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king — the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.

I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”

And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”

Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”

It’s probably for the best — the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all — class issues,” he said on a recent episode.

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Despite my disagreements with the libertarians, props to Chase for agreeing to come onto your show.

RunzWithGunz
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I understand the title needs a clickbait title like "Kyle GRILLS candidate"

But this was actually a civil discussion that allowed questions and answers to be asked and answered. Occasional push back done respectfully, There was no interrupting or shouting over each other. It was refreshing.

randomdisplayname
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This guy is the very definition of a politician that I can disagree with but have a lot of respect for. A rare thing in politics these days

thehumanity
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You mean to tell me there are presidential candidates that can cohesively describe their position and policy? (Surprised pikachu face)

kharjai
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I don’t like this guy’s overall policy platform but jesus thank god there’s someone normal with a brain that answers questions

willoconnell
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He really thinks the free market can regulate medicine when they can't regulate the safety of baby powder or food

mwhitcher
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I met Chase back in Feb at our AL LP convention He's a good guy & has my vote.

Hopeful_Libertarian
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Actually loved his modern ellis island take

ProlerSkyphet
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Wow a young politician who can not only articulate their ideas, but give policies that he supports his ideas

ScottG
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Wow, a bright and well spoken presidential candidate. 😮

datasciyinfo
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I have met a lot of different people in the Libertarian community. They have people from all walks of life and very different cultures. They don't always get along - but they can exist in a single party because they agree on the role of government in society. Once that is out of the way even Fundamentalist Christians and Atheists don't need to fear each other. Imagine if our whole society worked that way.

Trollhulio
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If only Libertarians were as good on domestic policy as their foreign policy.

Paul-
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I kinda like this guy. Not all his policies, but seems pretty decent. Respect libertarians for their commitment to their values, even if some of those values are kind of bad.

logan
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Lord Kyle Targarian, first of his name, flamer of rhetoric, griller of sausages but not of anyone in this interview.

NorthLVLowRoller
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He sounds like a young articulate and compassionate politician compared to the two options we have now

NissanAltima
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0:18 How the Libertarian party selects candidates
2:58 Mises Caucus (Libertarian Right Wing)
4:11 Immigration
5:42 Gender Affirming Care and Healthcare Freedom
6:54 Open Borders?
9:57 Abortion
11:30 Biden dropping out vs staying in the race
13:21 Trump Assassination Atempt
16:22 Gun Regulation and 2nd Amendment
19:18 Drugs
23:24 Healthcare Policy

Carlosconga
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Seemingly decent, intelligent, coherent, rational… imagine this dude as president instead of the two party race we’re currently in.

rorydirish
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Chase is a very good man. It is rare to see a politician with such compassion and empathy, who genuinely seeks the collective betterment of others on a wider scale. This was super refreshing and uplifting. God bless him.

Wackaz
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What nice guy, who almost certainly wont win because of the 2 party system

moeheil
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Well this is a pleasant surprise. Kyle interviewing a Presidential candidate and a Libertarian candidate at that. 👀

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