New 2024 Triumph Bajaj 400 and Royal Enfield 450

The motorcycle world has been eagerly waiting the launch of the the Triumph Bajaj 400cc bikes and the new Royal Enfield Himalayan 450, and I will discuss them both today. Despite having their roots in the British motorcycle industry, they are both coming out of India.
But how will they be viewed by the rest of the world I wonder?

The full article is here

Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
01:05 Triumph 400cc
03:00 The Design Spec
03:30 Market Domination
04:05 The Fight
07:15 The Specs
08:44 Different Marketing Tactics
10:45 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450
12:30 More Power
14:10 New Challenges and Price
15:00 How Will The Market React?
14:45 Thoughts From The Shed

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[barebonesmc]

Well, Ive seen the release pictures and already some BIG channels are saying Triumph designed and developed the bikes, which is in total contradiction of what Bajaj have been saying for well over 6 months now, No mention of Bajaj in the Triumph release and sure enough we get the crucified Union Jack Triumph logo splashed across the tank too.
I got the power and weight figures pretty bang on too 🙂 At least they look a bit more substantial in the final pictures, still no ideas on price or when they will actually be in showrooms either, so what was all the hype about?
"Here, Look at our new models for next year"
???

[Geshmaal]

Got a 411 Himalayan at the moment and I've been keeping tabs on the 450 as something that'll have a little bit more pep but similar size and weight...this Triumph announcement has me intrigued! If you can get a centre stand on the Scrambler 400X I'd be tempted to go for one just to change things up a bit.

[mrsilbo]

It's the interesting, varied & quality content that's growing the channel, make no mistake!

[kevincaselle]

I remember my first bike (cb 350) fondily.
these 400 class developments are intriguing. I am really enjoying your channel sir.

[BreezyRider]

As an older rider who's done with big bikes it's great that there's going to be a lot more choice of 250-500s. Personally I wouldn't discount the "Triumph" just because it's not but they are for sure being disingenuous. I could be seriously tempted by the Himalayan 450. Great content as usual keep 'em coming please...

[MalcolmStaines]

I ride a Moto Guzzi built in Italy, but where do the components come from who knows or cares. Royal Enfield have got it right, sales show this, not surprising that the others are following. This will give us a range of good bikes at good prices and should help to break down the stigma of Asian built motorbikes. Brilliant video as always

[Jim-nmen]

It is a Bajaj not a Triumph. My first and second road legal bikes were Triumph Tiger Cubs and my 3rd road legal bike was a Triumph 5TA Speed Twin. I don't have much time for imposters which is how I view Triumph badged Bajaj bikes. At least the Indian Royal Enfield was produced using the original british tooling etc and then gradually developed a bit further so it has genuine roots as such.

[TringmotionCoUk]

I have commented on other channels that if, and it's a big if, Triumph still has the Villiers rights, the Indian made bikes won't suffer from the same blow back that happened previously when they tried offshoring before. The danger is they dilute the brand and hole it below the water line. The other difference is that Harris design does a lot of the design work on Royal Enfield. This makes quite a difference for many buyers.
To be blunt, I think Triumph is being a bit half arsed in the decision making.

[iainuk]

Surely regardless of where the bike is manufactured, if Triumph doesn’t own the factory where they are made then bikes are actually badge engineered?

[jaysurya]

Great video. Interesting to see the same product from a different perspective. I, being an Indian, am excited to see the new triumph-bajaj bikes since I expect it to be a better quality product than what we have currently. I have never been a fan of REs due to their weight, vibrations, low power. Besides, only affordable scramblers in India are yezdi and RE scram. That's why looking forward to these new bikes. I guess from a traditional triumph user's pov these bikes do look underwhelming though.

[peteacher]

This comment imagines that I am 36, not 76 years old. If I were to undertake a motorcycle tour that included parts of northern India, I'd go for the tried and true, the Royal Enfield Himalayan. My priority is not speed and power, but the assurance of the greatest chance of "getting there" without too much drama; that if anything beyond my ability to repair in situ happens, then there are multitudes of people all over the sub continent who know every nut, bolt, chain link and welding seam of Royal Enfield bikes and will have you on your way again quickly without charging like wounded bulls. Re the new players on the block; badge engineering happens all the time in the car industry as well as to a degree in the aero industry, so it doesn't bother me if m/c makers do the same, as long as those makers are transparent about it 😊

[Jones-xxgc]

If you buy a Royal Enfield or an Indian branded bike you know what you are getting. Triumph in particular play on their British heritage and charge accordingly. Would love to know what theirs and other manufacturers profits are when they are shipping out manufacture to India and other places. What do Triumphs and KTM's cost in India.

[cliveomahoney]

It is interesting, I tend to think that, especially Chinese companies, are trying to get into the western markets through the backdoor. The question is, why? The markets that Indian and Chinese firms dominate are far bigger, and more profitable, than luxury (toy) bike markets in the west. Perhaps, it's an aspirational thing? The advent of the new Royal Enfield was presaged by the 'info' that the newbie bikes were designed in RE's facility in England. As most parts for bikes are made in countries in which labour is cheap and disposable, I don't really see much of a problem of them being made in these countries, too. Apart from the moral and patriotic (brand) objections; That, in a globalised world (UK excepted) are pretty much irrelevant anyway. As an addendum, I did watch a vid that slated Triumph for parts availability in the UK. It was a Q & A. The responder said: why should it be different for bikers in the UK? The parts are made half-way around the world. My bet is that both Triumph and KTM will be swallowed up by eastern conglomerates, when they consider the time to be right.

[jaide]

I'm honestly excited for these, being liquid cooled I hope they have the extra bump of power most riders in the west want over the RE 350's, There's a real gap in the market for a +-40hp lightweight retro bike, and you can see Chinese manufacturers are also trying to fill this gap. But this being a triumph means you get the benefit of the Triumph dealer network, and I assume they're going to put out a good quality bike, even if it's made by Bajaj. It's Triumph's reputation at stake after all.

[mattdog]

This bike has to come in at under £5k. Any more and it’s up against the mt03, Honda and the ninja 400 which are quality bikes. The RE hunter is selling because it is simple and the right price. BSA have learned this the hard way with the gold star.

[jezzamarkham]

I for one am against saying Triumph when it’s clearly Bajaj, it’s a bit of a con in real terms!
I like the idea of the new Himalayan as it sounds a bit more refined and if i could still ride (Wheelchair) i would be in like a bullet in fact put a sidecar on and a thumb rear brake i would be very tempted! 😊 Great videos, love them. Yes i must be a masochist but i still love watching and staying in touch.😊❤

[josvandencamp]

What about quality standards? What about wages and working conditions for the workers in India? If this is all in good order these bikes are a great asset for us motorcycle riders. As I'm 69 a grew up with British and German bikes around me.

[camerongiles-webb]

Mate, Love your stuff. Congrats to you. And yes that new 450 Royal E might just be the one for most rides, however if only the KOVE 450 Rally would come to Australia, they would sell HEAPS of that bike here. OR put the CF MOTO 450 twin into a more dirt focused rally bike with good suspension and that’s a winner. All the best. Cam

[BillyBob-uczp]

Whip the triumph badge off and we'll have it a grand cheaper! 😎

[raaga]

What is your take now since it's been ridden by reviewers and inspected properly