Is Being F2P in FEH Not Possible Anymore?

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[hyperm]

The way I see FEH is a card collecting game, the main thing I've always done is collect the characters that I like so in that sense yeah I'm very much a F2P player

[Ragnamune]

I'd say the issue isn't F2P not being possible to a wide audience, it's instead this:

*"There is no such thing as a "safe investment" anymore."*

Way back in the day, the best thing we could do is save for a favorite one-off & try to +10 any amount of the many 4 star candidates that would show up willingly or no. Slap on budget skills like Fury+Desperation or give them some TLC via some rarer T4 fodders that could truly make them look nice, and it was sign & seal.

Today? I was attacked in AR by a fully flowered, invested, and supported +10 Brave Marth sat in front of my +0 Neutral W!Dimitri who only had my lowly Panic Manor hit some of B!Marth's allies and W!Edel's T4 Ploy hit B!Marth & pals. W!Dimitri ran up, prf pre-combat charged his No Quarter, and promptly 1-shot the B!Marth. Turn 2, instant surrender by the attacker.

Today, it feels as if unless you have the newest flavor of dumbness/the newest release heroes, you simply cannot compete.

We couple this with the time required to garner the required resources to build said 4 star focus or special/Grail Unit/5 star to our tastes:
- The X orbs/grails required to summon said unit that'll always vary person to person
- 5-30 Flowers needing 600-3260 flowers hoarded to upgrade stats +1 - +6 based on year of release
- 10 additional copies to upgrade all stats +4
- Anywhere between 1 to 3, sometimes even 4 or 5 desired high quality units to sacrifice skills to give them ABC, Special, and Attuned Slots suited to taste, made worse if the unit is prf-less, adding a Weapon fodder requirement for typically the latest Arcane weapon of that type

The cherries on top:
Did you miss Engage Marth? No optimal special charging.
Did they receive a Resplendant form? $10-15 to purchase FEH Pass to access a further +2 to all stats that cannot be gotten anywhere else.

And finally, the lynchpin of it all:
There will always be that non-zero chance that the very next banner releases a unit that does the entire kit & caboodle of your "max" invested unit better than said unit ever could thanks to a basekit that just so happened to have all of the desired effects and mayhaps also come with a prf weapon, skill or special to widen the performance gap.

That's all I got, ZeShado. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

[iriswav]

9:13 its the same with Yu-Gi-Oh where people ask why are Japanese people so good in Master Duel (Yu-Gi-Oh "sim")? And it's because their card text is more clean and organized than in the west where is more jumbled and can be a overwhelming wall of words

[sauce]

Honestly, i just play only to get daily orbs and whatnot and then summon for characters i really like, but otherwise i dont do shit. The game has become too powercrept for me to enjoy it otherwise.

[diegocorral]

F2P I can’t compete at all, I’ve resorted to being a fun casual to preserve my sanity.

[claudevonrunningman]

I’ve been f2p for a while aside from getting a couple resplendents, and I’ve completely given up on aether raids since there’s no way I can compete there

[vorsillionx]

I am a F2P and I only play AR as a competitive mode but not to the point of staying in Vault of Heaven. I mean, staying in VoH is way harder then getting in — one season I get in VoH, then the next I fall off. I could stay but I require merged mythics and must demolish every team on offense while getting all the pots, and that's incredibly hard if you are maintaining it while being a F2P.

[rainydayyz]

As a F2p player i rarely play aether raids and summoner duels because I'm mostly saving my orbs for new alts of my favourite characters and don't have the meta stuff so theres really no hope for me winning

[rakurai]

I'm fully f2p and I've basically just gotten this game down to a png collector. I don't play Aether Raids, Summoner Duels or even really Arena at this point because it's not even that fun for the amount of effort you need to put into it.

With the orbs I get naturally, I can generally get 1-2 5-star units on each seasonal banner and the occasional 5-star or two on the standard banners and I'm content with that.

[bugjams]

I remember when I could relatively easily juggle building 2-3 units of the same color while giving them all the most premium skills at the time. There was a period where Swift Sparrow 3 was relatively easy to come by, and the best B-slot and C-slot skills weren't exactly rare either. You could just save up for when there was an 8% banner where all the heroes on a given color had excellent skills, and rack up a ton of fodder for later.

Now, that's not as easy anymore. Because new skills get introduced every month or two, which powercreep the previous best skills, keeping up is insanely hard. Like, for example, Guard Bearing 4 and Gambit 4 are the best B-slots for pretty much any melee flier, and they're super hard to get. Previously it was Guard Bearing 3, Dive Bomb 3, and even if you lacked either of those, a priority skill like QR3 or Desperation 3 usually wasn't bad.

tl;dr It used to take a lot longer for new "best" skills to come out, making it easier to build multiple strong units at a time. Now since new skills come out so fast, effective fodder is harder to get, and you _really_ have to choose to invest in just 1-2 of your favorite units to build, which may take months.

Oh, and of course, by the time you've finally built that new unit, a fancy new 5* exclusive unit with an absolutely busted prf skill (cough - Duo Lyon - cough) comes out, and makes your project unit completely irrelevant. Like, what is the point in using my max-investment Summer Sylvain now that I have a single copy of D!Lyon? Besides the fact that I like him, that is.

[Krishianime]

I'm mostly F2P until now. I've had 17 merge projects completed as of now. In terms of summoning a demote unit you like, sometimes, it takes months to get that demote you want as a merge project. When my Shez (F) was stuck at +8, it literally took me 4 months to get my 9th merge then 5 days later, I got the final copy to +10 Shez (F). For Arena scoring purposes, you need a Legendary Hero to get the highest score possible. If you don't have that Legendary Hero, it's pointless. The only way to get them is summoning on a Legendary/Mythic banner or Legendary/Mythic Hero Remix banner. In terms of Aether Raids, the important part is the Mythic merges to gain more lift and it requires a lot of orbs to get merges on a particular Mythic Hero. For Summoner Duels, it's mostly busted units like V! Lyon and probably stay away from that game mode especially if you're F2P and don't have any good units to use or don't know how to play this game mode properly. Also regarding about sparking on a banner, seasonal, Legendary/Mythic, Double Special Heroes banners require FEH Pass in order to get the spark after 40 summons. F2P players without FEH Pass won't have access to the spark. About the Forma Soul, if you want to get more than 1 Forma Soul, you have to wait before the Celestial Stone Shop reset which will take a few months if you want to get a specific Forma unit you like, that's for F2P players who don't spend money on getting a Forma Soul. Otherworld Bond is paywalled and F2P players won't get that resource for Binding Worlds. In terms of the current meta, I would consider that F2P might slowly be dying but can still be possible until now depending what units you currently have

[marcosmolares]

Im mostly ftp and very ocassionaly buy a feh pass (because I reach a spark and I get pissed at not getting anything) or some times once every 4 or 5 months a forma pack.
As long as you dont act on impulse and spend your free orbs in the units you believe will bring power to the way you play you are mostly fine.
Another good tip is to not act on impulse with the fodder. If you get 2 copies of a cool unit do not merge them, save it in the reserves. Eventually you could need that fodder for another unit you might want to build that could bring a ton of value to your game. Merges are mostly worthless since at the current pace everything gets devaluated way too fast.
And speaking of devaluating, do NOT invest in tanks. Those are the ones that lose their value the fastest. Best investments are supports, a good nuke with some useful gimmik and favorites.

[Wyglafff]

I feel like investing in a +10 is a bad idea since it will be overpowered by a random +1 in two months. Moreover, investing in your favorite, even with the bests skills is still not enough for the monsters that are released every months (and already come with a full kit). That's why I pull my favorites but almost never +10 them and aslo I don"t care about most game mods ranking (I'm glad being in vault of heaven every other week but that's it)

[smashfanatic]

I am a former dolphin who went cold turkey when the pass dropped, because I finally saw the writing on the wall when the predatory pass came out.

I don’t touch summoner duels or arena other than bare minimum to get basic rewards. AR I’ll play since my gold throne rank is pretty high but I don’t summon any units with AR in mind. And many modes, I’ll just completely forget to do because I’ve lost so much interest in FEH that I don’t really care if I don’t remember to do my pawns of Loki run or whatever.

I don’t even summon for SI to dump on my existing waifus because it’s so expensive to go get the fodder.

I always said for many years that the SI system as it’s currently implemented is highly toxic, but for years I got a lot of pushback from the community. But it seems as the SI powercreep is completely out of control, more people are finally waking up to that fact. The basic gist of the problem with SI is that it’s basically like the equipment system of FEH, except it’s a permanent one-time use decision, so unlike pulling for CEs in FGO, you’re stuck with whoever gets the SI.

I just cannot recommend this game to new players.

[knightman]

Competitively: Yes
Casually: oh heck no, OG Black Knight for life!

[BMAjoeA]

I'm F2P and been playing since day 1. The last time I genuinely enjoyed this game was when the CYL4 brave heroes came out. I can't believe I'm saying this as a massive fire emblem fan but I want this game to EoS. The powercreep is too much.

[RidwanKadir-vi]

Honestly I like having harder pve content because it's fun trying to find ways to beat it. The recent emblem marth and liners battle was so difficult to beat that it was really fun. I personally spent a lot of team using different teams that could beat the map. My favourite team beating it was using a wrazzle dazzle savage blow healer and b!chrom and r!lucina to chip and run around the map

[oscarflorez]

I have played the game for 5 years and never wasted a single penny on the game

[superpokefan]

Yes. Easily. Trying to keep up with modes like AR and Summoner Duels is a suckers game unless you've got amazing luck.

Powercreep absolutely comes from the units, not the skills. Unique units who do things nobody else does stand out more than flying lance unit number 52. Legendary Camilla deleting your health as combat begins, Duo Lyon taking Fomortiis Nightmare skill to it's extreme, Tina stealing buffs, Legendary Alear offering pierce DR on special activation via ally support, Christmas Edelgard with her ridiculous kit of pierce DR and non special miracle on top of galeforce and a huge atk/def debuff and 2 extra movement buffs, Christmas Byleth being the best far saver with Null C and pierce DR and a -3 scowl effect, etc. It absolutely comes from unique units. No question.

Any new player gets access to all of these new toys. All of the old toys have been thrown to the waysides of weekly revival banners or Legendary/Mythic hero remix banners. The only critical issues new players have to deal with are a lack of game knowledge (which good luck with that), resource creep (which I'd say is a bigger issue considering that we have 1000+ heroes), and being overwhelmed by the many modes (both good and garbage) on offer, and a lot of which have been abandoned (Blessed Gardens lol).

So, no. Being F2P is not dead. If you want to be F2P and keep up with the competitive modes, I hope you have a lot of patience and discipline. If you ignore that crap and try to have fun in your own ways, you'll be fine.

[tee]

Haven't spent a cent in this game since I started in 2017, and I still have my Mae, Leon and Chrom in Arena, still very enjoyable. I think I have to have the mindset of "scaling" back what I can and cannot compete in depending on how good my pulls are. Still love playing for Seers, Hall of Fjorms and other "creative" modes.