What Does it Mean to be 'Dead?' Responding to Leighton Flowers & Corey Minor

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[Ahmathyah]

I've heard Calvinists use Lazarus's death to show spiritual deadness several times. They'll compare the inability of a physically dead person to do anything to the inability of a spiritually dead person to respond to the gospel. They'll make the same point you did: that the spiritually dead cannot respond to the gospel positively, only negatively. Flowers is showing inconsistency in this argument. A negative response to the gospel is still a response; whereas, a physically dead person cannot respond to anything at all whether positively or negatively. If Calvinists want to argue that only a negative response can be given by the spiritually dead, it doesn't follow that a positive one can't be given also, and the spiritually dead can be reconciled to God and be made alive. The spiritually dead can choose the offer of God in the gospel to be reconciled and live.

[gageterrell]

The contention is dead=inability
In the Bible, dead never means that they "always reject something". Dead means seperation, usually seperation from life. We were seperated from God because of our sin.
Spiritual death doesn't mean inability or does it have any bearing that "we will always reject something".
Its because of our deadness that God closes the gap amd offers us life. God doesn't give us life to offer us life, thats tautological.

Faith isn't meritorious or a good work

Do a word search for dead

[thekingstable]

I would suggest that Calvinists don’t use Lazarus as a example if you don’t want Flowers to argue the point.

[JohnnyGee]

Marlon, why don’t you go on his show and have a discussion about it?

[jtcharland]

I’ve heard countless Calvinists talk about being “literally dead like Lazarus.” Stop the back pedaling.

[m.m]

Show me pre-faith regeneration in the Scripture and you might have an argument...

[WayneFocus]

Marlon, you are just reading from the Calvinist script. If you are saying that the person can respond but will only respond negatively then that means they cannot respond. But scripture clearly says that faith come by hearing and hearing the word of God. Yes a man is dead spiritually but the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. A man even though he is spiritually dead can hear the gospel and respond.

[oliverronquillo]

So, let me get this straight; dead means dead means you can respond negatively but not positively. Okay. Now it makes sense. Come on.

[lordboston]

The Calvinist is literally saying that the very thing God provided and told us to believe is insufficient and impossible to is heresy of the highest order. God said believe and you are saying no I cant unless you force me....Faith comes by hearing...just as it does for everything else....you get to choose to believe or reject

[StefParmTpa]

Ephesians 2:1 does not say, "dead spiritually or dead in your spirit" but "dead in your transgressions and sins". That is a big difference, you are adding to the Word of God. How can a dead, lifeless body or corpse respond in any way either positively or NEGATIVELY?

[jtcharland]

Actually it’s not Leighton’s position that creates the confusion, it’s definitely the Calvinist position that does that.

[KevC]

Well this'll be easy for Flowers to pick apart. Yall always make it so easy. Thanks marlon.

Someone gifted me a membership. I would never support a calvinist.

[JohnQPublic]

Marlon, Thanks for proving you/Calvinists don't [1] have the foggiest clue what Reformed Theology teaches and [2] don't have the foggiest clue what Dr. Flowers/we are talking about and [3] don't have the foggiest clue what the arguments, i.e. the point of contention is, no matter how many times we correct

[PreachingforGodsGlory]

“this creates nonsense.” That definitely summed it up!
Good video, Marlon!
I don’t understand why he’s misrepresenting. It’s obvious that the passage is talking about spiritual death. Nobody’s talking about physical death.

[oliverronquillo]

Okay brother. You just read the definition, criticized Leighton for using that exact definition and then said Calvinists don't use the nekrous that way. Now I'm confused.

[michaelfaber]

Leighton's point is that Eph 2:1 doesn't say that the unsaved person cannot respond positively to the gospel.

The Greek word doesn't change anything.

[BrotherJohnElving]

to advanced for me. I need to keep learning the big words for me to understand. God bless you.

[HipolitaofZion]

It's sad that people now want to change the meaning of what 'dead' means. Dead means dead. If you're dead in your trespasses, then this means you've been separated from God; it is a spiritual death. A death where only God is only able to intervene and make that individual undergo regeneration by HIS GRACE ALONE. There's nothing we can do to save ourselves.

[lbamusic]

...we continue to be actively in sin, unless God supplies saving believing Faith, which facilitates and enables the regeneration of our hearts.

[ogmakefirefiregood]

I thank God he opened my eyes to see the Glory of Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:6