The Problems With Paradise: 7 Reasons Why Heaven Fails

Today's episode is all about heaven. Many arguments against God's character are made on the concept of hell. I share those, but here I show why heaven alone should be enough to make the believer doubt.
I cover 7 reasons heaven doesn't live up to the hype!

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0:00 Intro
3:08 Problem 1
5:56 Problem 2
10:53 Problem 3
14:15 Problem 4
18:08 Problem 5
22:49 Problem 6
24:53 Problem 7
29:03 Final Thoughts
29:39 Patron Thank You

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[MindShift-Brandon]

Morning all, this is one of my favorite topics and one i dont see addressed nearly as much. Hope you enjoy.

[stevenpike]

It's actually counter-intuitive. People think you need to beleive in God in order to be moral, but so much immoral behavior is done under the umbrella of relgion and a beleif in god.

[LivN]

This hits so hard! I had a conversation with my Christian mother recently and I was honest and told her I felt like she had checked out of this life. Almost like I didn’t have my mother anymore, and she responded “I have checked out”. The degradation of our once close relationship has been so incredibly sad to me.

[freddieking]

The Twilight Zone (original series) absolutely NAILS this conversation. In the episode "A Nice Place to Visit", this gangster is shot by the police while attempting to rob a pawn shop. He is then escorted to the afterlife by what he perceives as his guardian angel. He is taken to a large palace with all the possible things you could want: He is surrounded by beautiful women, he always wins when he goes to gamble at the casinos, he has an unlimited supply of delicious food, alcohol, cigars, and material objects. He's having the time of his life but after a while, he grows increasingly bored of the repetitious nature of the afterlife. He eventually seeks his "guardian angel" and tells him that he misses living a life of sin and vice with the earthly thrill of unpredictability and mystery. He would even go as far as beg to be taken to the "other place". The angel reveals himself as who he really is and replies, "Technically, this is the 'other place'. What makes you think this is heaven?".

[johannespalmer]

Most Christians simply gloss over these logical problems with heaven with the phrase that our imperfect minds cannot conceive of heaven. This is of course a monumental cop out.

[MarkA]

I've always figured that heaven is just a psychological version of hell, but I could never explain it so eloquently.

[caleboop]

I’m a teenager that’s going through a dilemma of faith. My father is a pastor and my mom is just as devoted. I’ve had some of these realizations of heaven for some years now like how eternal worship doesn’t sound fun at all, or how free will just wouldn’t exist in a place like heaven. I’ve come to realize that I have to make compromises in my questioning just so I can keep my relationship with my family. I’ve recently moved to a different city a few hours away from them for school and it drives me insane how they use up the only free hour I have at night to call me and use it for bible study, when all I really want is to just have a conversation with them.

[starkillerclub]

As an introvert with ADHD, the thought of being somewhere surrounded by other inhabitants of the afterlife for eternity is actually my idea of hell

[FerrisWheel]

This hits me so very hard. I have one child who is a Christian and one who is not. It was this very issue that caused me to deconvert last year. Thank you for being the voice of reason in this crazy conversation.

[jengenx]

Thank you Brandon!! As a deconstructing Christian I was scared of hell. That has been kind of dissipating but I was still really scared of dying. I have been starting to appreciate that 80 odd years of consciousness is probably enough and actually maybe I don’t want to live for ever. This video has helped tremendously, and I will focus on every single moment of this life with all it’s beauty and terror!

[ChixieMary]

My mother very much clings to the idea of heaven because she needs to believe she's going to be reunited with my father... and all of her beloved dead relatives.

A big family reunion.

But in this life, she cries because her two beloved children are atheists and won't be in heaven with her.

She's 85. I don't press the issue.

😔

Thanks again for another great video. Brandon ❤️

[Bry_bryyy]

As an atheist since childhood, I tried fairly recently to explain this to my dad, because I didn’t want him to ever worry about “my salvation”. I said that “even if I pretend heaven, as it’s described, is real and entirely accurate, it’s not somewhere I would want to go after I die” for many of these reasons you’re touching on here. From what I recall, he had no response and the entire conversation was just him changing the subject whenever I made any logical points. At one point he even made a comment about how I wasn’t taught about this stuff properly while growing up, which felt like he proved my point that, without indoctrination, most of it sounds pretty ridiculous.

[jewelgoss]

Thank you for your videos. I deconverted from Christianity, twice, because of its endless problems that I couldn’t ignore. The first time was as a teenager and the second time was as an adult. I’m the first in my family, that I’m aware of, to break this chain. It’s scary to be a trailblazer but so worth it when if you’re a person who values truth and logic.

[tomsenior]

I completely agree. My biggest fear as a child was not Hell, it was spending an eternity doing all the things I love for all time.
How long will it take to try everything? Once done, does one do them again? How long will it take for this to become stale? How long will it take for me to hate doing what I once loved? An eternity of repeating everything. Maybe seeing my grandchildren being born will give me joy? But then I will have to see them die and meet them. And again with their grandchildren. And will humankind be around in another 200, 000 years. What happens when humans go extinct? No new entrants? A finite number of friends for eternity? Once the earth has been consumed by the inevitable Red Giant, that was once our sun, what then? Spend my time watching the slow heat death of the universe? And when the last Black Hole evaporates away and there is only darkness... do I really continue with an eternity still ahead of me? Eventually, I will have met everyone who has made it into paradise an infinite number of times already. I will have done everything an infinite number of times already... And I still have an eternity ahead of me doing everything an infinite number of times again... This sounds a lot like hell.

And the alternative is hell?

No wonder god's Angels rebelled.

[astrinymris]

As a child, I always assumed that Heaven meant that after death, we'd have anything we wanted, whatever that was. For me, Heaven would involve an infinite library of every book ever written... and every time a new book was written on earth, this book would immediately appear in this library. This meant that I never considered boredom in Heaven could possibly a problem. I also never considered that there'd be anyone in Heaven who'd be miffed that their Heaven wasn't any nicer than anyone else's. My mind didn't work that way, and to be honest it still doesn't.

By fifteen, I'd completely rejected the concept of Hell, so I assumed that evil people would either suffer annihilation or be reincarnated so they'd have another chance to get it right. Or maybe just as people would be healed of their physical ailments, their psychological disorders would automatically disappear as well, and they'd thus be good then.

As I grew older, I began speculating that this physical life was just a step in a longer journey of self-development which would continue ever onward. Or maybe if Paradise ever palled, you'd have the option of volunteering for reincarnation.

But since then after becoming acquainted with fundagelical ideas of Heaven... yeah, an eternity of doing nothing but praising God over and over 24/7 without any break does sound pretty hellish, doesn't it?

[joshpipes]

The thought of spending eternity in heaven gave me almost as much anxiety as hell when I was a kid.

[kutiepatutie]

Found this video right after finishing “The good place” and YOU ARE MAKING SENSE

[Bugg..._o]

As a child, this is my first real fear that I can remember. My family tried to comfort me and explain all the same things you did, but it never was enough. That was the crack. From there, I started looking for other flaws and had serious doubts about the whole thing soon after.

[sidstovell]

I'm very old, and totally content to know that death is the end. As it was in the beginning, before you were born. Nothingness.
Thank you, Brandon.

[lexdeobesean]

This is the VERY thing that scared the crap out of me as a kid. My parents told me about how amazing heaven would be but it honestly scared me more than hell. The eternal monotony. It was the start of my journey away from these archaic religions of talking snakes and mythologies we would otherwise giggle at if we had no cultural connection with them. Once you leave Christianity, it becomes as daft, nonsensical and ancient as the Viking or Roman religions.