Jiren vs Broly is barely fair... | DBS

Broly vs Jiren has been debated since Broly was reintroduced in Dragon Ball Super in 2018. Jiren being someone who convined everyone of his strength in a fight with Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku and said to be stronger than the Gods of Destruction put Broly in an uphill battle since the very beginning but Me & @CarthusDojo over how this fight should realistically go down.

Intro: 0:00
Jiren Breakdown (Anime): 0:28
Broly Breakdown (Anime: 2:12
Jiren vs Broly Feats & Statements: 5:22
Jiren vs Broly Guidebooks: 10:44
Jiren vs Broly (Manga): 22:57

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[lucashill]

“But Broly, would you lose?”
“Nah, I’d improve”

[epicmemelord]

“Would you lose to Jiren?”
“Nah, I’d shout”

[AR-ywdy]

The manga clearly displays that Beerus is above Belmod in my opinion. Beerus is focus by the other Gods of destruction and handles them pretty well. Quitela seemed to be the only challenge.

[mattj]

Broly is the most naturally gifted saiyan weve seen.

[djpine]

My biggest problem with this argument is the fact that Jiren pushed Goku to UI. Broly smacked him around so hard he never even got the chance. Broly was also fighting a version of Goku and Vegeta, who were WAY past the previous limits they had in that tournament- and even if they were relative- (which they were not, due to how saiyans work) Broly finally going all out still put them down no diff without trying. DBS-Super Hero Broly who still puts the NEW Ultra Instinct/Ego saiyans on edge to fight with, would mop Jiren if a weaker UI Goku was able to go toe to toe with Jiren, but doesn't even wanna swap hands with a semi trained Broly. Until we see Jirens new level, he caps out at ToP UI, and Broly is relative if not stronger than POST Granolah UI

(Edit for Manga Only)- You also can't have a Manga only precise argument, while choosing to ignore statements due to them not making sense personally. Jiren was beaten still in Manga alone. Take no other anime feats of Broly, and use JUST the Manga. The context of Granolahs wish was to be the strongest, surpassing the Goku that fought ToP Jiren. Goku and Vegeta caught up to that, gained new transformations, and then still stated later AFTER training for Black Freiza that Broly is on their level. Again thats just putting the jolly green giant back up to post Granolah UI/Ego. Which is just so far above ToP UI that you can't in good confidence say Broly isn't currently stronger than Jiren until we see Jirens new levels.

[BigHale]

My only thing is that, while yes Jiren has better control of his ki, and doesn’t need to power up. Broly in his very FIRST real fight took on a Goku and Vegeta who have trained and battled their whole lives. Even Jiren has trained his whole life. Broly has only ever trained with his dad. In the movie frieza stated that him training Broly was practically worthless. Let’s give Broly the same training as everyone else and see who wins in a more “fair” sense for lack of a better word. It’s pretty impressive that his first real fight with anyone ever, and he’s being compared to a immortal destroyer who’s had millions of years of training🤷🏻‍♂️ Broly even caught up to SSJ Gogeta and made him transform into SSB. He broke his limits 3-4 times in a day with just his sheer potential alone.

[ZeroGoofs]

15:30 but gogeta isn’t a naturally occurring being. I’m pretty positive when they say he’s the strongest sayian they’re speaking in terms of naturally occurring sayains, not a fusion of two

[newguy]

I love how some people just assumed that Jiren just stopped training. Like, everyone. understand that Jiren has another goal now. So, think about that for a moment. Jiren is still getting stronger but now he's more open about getting stronger with others now. He got that strong by himself, now imagine how strong he's currently getting while training with others including his GOD and Angel.

[antifireemblem]

the manga pretty clearly shows beerus is stronger than Belmod.

[smokey]

Ok so if jiren>all god of destruction and he couldnt beat UI goku but UI goku in granola arc gets oneshoted by black frieza and beerus is supposedly stronger then black freiza then does that mean jiren in TOP could beat current frieza and beerus? Its getting confusing. No way jiren is stronger then characters after TOP. Those god of destruction statements hold no weight anymore after TOP.

[CarthusDojo]

Idk man the crumbs on the cookie scans are pretty compelling

[jostnaleman]

I think is a BIG MISTAKE to talk about Gogeta as an individual.

[ImAdaptking]

They’ve stated that Broly is the strongest male character

Take that how you want

Broly is just the alpha

[darkknight]

I think the point about broly not being the strongest because gogeta exists is pretty moot. He is the strongest saiyan because he doesn't require external circumstances to exist. He doesn't require two people to exist. So yes, gogeta is the strongest saiyan, but his existence is temporary. That was the whole point of the movie was to show that broly is far and away the strongest saiyan, but the combined power of two saiyans is the "ultimate power"

[devoncraig]

shout out carthu man, the collab I didn't know I needed

[Oz]

I think Beerus would react if there was someone close to him in power, and all he did was sneeze.

When he reacted to Jiren's power, he couldn't even fathom it was coming from one guy.

And then there's the thing of Broly supposedly beating Frieza a whole hour and he was still alive. Jiren swat him like a fly in 5 seconds while holding back.

[waxxxi]

Broly literally destroys Jiren. Sorry Jiren Fanboys 💀

Gogeta Blue is WAYYY more powerful than anything in the ToP. The reason was he wasn't in the ToP is because Gogeta is a fusion, not a single character so it wouldn't be fair. Gogeta Blue literally one shots anyone in the ToP and he still had to dodge the attack from Broly. Not to mention the 1 million Japanese novels and magazines that have always mentioned Broly as the strongest ever. Jiren never had a chance.

[DBSchnitzl]

I love the fact that it was mentioned how jiren went from getting beat up by MUI Goku to surpassing him in just a couple minutes. Because most of the time Broly fans argue that Broly will just “outgrow” Jiren in power by time but in reality jiren grew more powerful than Broly in a shorter period of time since Broly alone beat up Frieza for more than an hour.

[lonkstakes]

One important section of guides that I think were missed were the V-jump and Saikyo jump scans talking about Broly in DBS Superhero, which double down on the DBS Broly statements and then some.

[ezioauditore]

Remember. Goku said "Probably stronger than Beerus" because he never saw how powerfull Beerus truly is. Maybe Broly is actually 10x more powerfull than Beerus but Goku doesnt know Beerus is not as strong.
Like, "Its a good guess to say you are more powerfull than Beerus".