Osiris Explains to Nimbus What Light and Darkness Really Are | Destiny 2: Lightfall

In this cutscene, Osiris explains Nimbus what Light & Darkness are, and how the Strand ability comes in play.

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[NotReal-]

"We either sink in the river or learn how to swim"

"Drown in the deep, or rise from it"

[albundy]

Bungie missed out on letting Shaq voice over a cloud strider.

[lordextinction]

My take from this is thus
Light is a force of life and creation where destruction and death reign. Hence why it Terraforms worlds and in turn teaches whatever new life it encounters to better care for what it creates so they continue to live

Darkness is a force of tranquility. Where discord and chaos run rampant, it brings harmony and peace. It’s why those like Eramis who’ve suffered from the chaos of the whirlwind caused by the Traveler’s departure, or Calus who went through the discord of betray from his own people are attracted towards the witness embodies this aspects of the Darkness

On paper they seem like enemies, negatives to one another. But in truth they’re both positives drawn and while they’re attracted to their own negatives (destruction and Pain), these negatives bring about the others positive. Creation and life lead to discord and chaos, just as peace and harmony can come from the Death and destruction. So it’s inevitable for them to go their deprédate ways as they will always be drawn together
Tangled in this Strands we call reality.

[noahdaglio]

I feel like they could be going for a more Yin/Yang approach to the Light/Darkness relationship, which would be very interesting to see when we eventually get to The Final Shape.

[SpectralLuna]

Amazing how you have to wait a week to see an explanation of what Strand is. 10/10 expansion.

[Montyandrew]

I like how the cloud riders or whatever look like the orokin from Warframe

[calebmacenka]

Apologies but how exactly is Stasis linked to consciousness? I always thought it was linked to eliminating entropy

[allentayoto]

What I find weird here is, through Strand, the Guardian and Osiris learned that one shouldn't try to control the river, instead they should flow with the river.

But that seems to be the reverse of what the Witness does. Rather, the witness seems to have found a way to control this river. I mean, that ability it used where it sliced off several ships, guardians, and ghost with a single motion is still stuck in my mind.

"How does that ability fits in with what Osiris and Nimbus said about the darkness?"

Because the Witness looked as if it is controlling the river, not flowing with it. And then, there's the lorebook about Elsie's realization about Stasis. Stasis teaches one how to take control, it's the reverse of Strand which teaches one to accept the ebb and flow.

[owohscorner]

This kinda reminds me of the elemental structure of Final Fantasy XIV.

There are two primary polarities: Astral Darkness and Umbral Light. Astral is activity, growth, and change. Where as Umbral is control, stability and shape. Water, earth and Ice are the elements closely associated with the Umbral, Light polarity; where as lightning, fire, and wind are associated with the Astral, darkness polarity.

Yet despite that, even though the elements are associated with certain aspections, they can be present in their opposite polarity. Ice is the closest aligned Umbral, and Lightning is the closest aligned to astral; but while an Umbral ice may be a cold room, and astral ice could be a snowstorm. An Astral lighting may be a series of thunder strikes, but an Umbral lighting could be like getting shocked by your car door.

So this has me thinking if after the third subclass were released, what kind of map would be drawn to represent all of the elements. Would Sol be the closest light element associated with light, and Strand the closes element to the dark? So then is void a light element that is closest to the dark, and the third dark element will be closest to the light?

[Falconer]

The cutscene that solidifies the massive inconsistencies they created...

[harryclark]

if anyone has ever read the unveiling lorebook, youll know of the flower game, thats pretty much what it is also.

[NotPreston]

Imagine that the guardians will get betray at the end and The traveler and the witness merge together as something else not a life, not a death become something beyond that The Circle or The Triangle, no it is The Square

[OffYourTopic]

Im so confused bc I just beat the legendary campaign last night, and didn't skip a single cutscene, but did not get this cutscene at ALL

[Xasapis]

He is right that darkness is a part of the light, it shows us the balance between, and he also explained it is pain sadness etc, we create it also we can destroy it. Its just what you allow more.

[goktugonvermez]

1st I realised this game have physiological depth

[kokorochacarero]

I like the big, half robot dudes
They are cool

[samkoch]

Not sure how ice isn’t a physical power but ok

[Kirchhoffs]

Curious. I did not get this cutscene during my playthrough.

[bluejacket]

Final Shape: Google Maps location marker

[skullabrin]

Played through the campaign, didn't get that cutscene...