Can We Save Humanity? Jamie Wheal on Saving a Global Culture on the Brink of Collapse

Are you part of the many struggling with finding meaning in the midst of the chaos, disease, falling governments, unspeakable human conditions? What does it even look like to show up your best these days when your heart is heavy and you’re surrounded with so much uncertainty? T

his episode today takes the plunge and leans off the edge with Jamie Wheal unpacking the depth and complexities he’s addressing in his latest book, Recapture the Rapture. The conversation is heavy and will challenge you to rethink your stance and what leaning into our global community could be for you. Enjoy peak experiences, spark the human initiative in your community and have some compassion for the world around you.



SHOW NOTES:

Loss of Meaning | A break down of the conflicting directions of major institutions [3:33]
Meaning 1.0 & 2.0 | Jamie breaks down the difference and problem for salvation & inclusion [7:54]
Meta Crisis | Jamie details the complexity of meta crisis and where it intersects [12:06]
Storytelling | Jamie walks through shapes of stories & where we are in our story of humanity [16:16]
Acceleration | Jamie on why rushing to clean the slate is ignorant of history [18:56]
The Drop | Jamie lists problems (the drop) we have to lean into to get to the better side [24:31]
Narrative Problem | Jamie breaks down coming alive vs. staying alive, narrative or reality [28:37]
Rearview Mirror | Jamie summarizes where the U.S. is after war in 1945 through 60s [30:55]
Tribalism | Jamie reveals what unhealthy tribalism is versus healthy that is for community [32:16]
Cults | Jamie exposes history of cults, how some succeed, when it gets too far extreme [36:42]
4 Cult Responses | Jamie explains the 4 feelings and 4 responses to cult leaders [44:44]
Top Down Solutions | The issue being detached from complexity of interconnected problems [53:13]
Global Rage | Jamie on the human initiative and the propensity for collective rage [57:14]
Finding Grace | Significant decisions in history that were against the rage & violence [1:02:44]
Cultural Architect | Escaping doomsday and thriving into the future [1:10:21]
Soul Force | Jamie explains the root of peaceful nonviolence anchored to Civil Rights [1:15:09]
Big 5 | Jamie reveals the big 5 evolutionary drivers, discusses healing and peak states [1:20:15]
Sex & Healing | Jamie explores the power of orgasms, women, its evolutionary nature [1:34:00]
Out of Hand | Jamie shares why people don’t know what they’re doing, forgiving ourselves [1:47:11]
Trickster | Jamie on dissonance between God & Satan, Good & Bad and the unknowing [1:50:51]
Omega Point | Jamie reveals the point where death and rebirth come together [1:58:02]

QUOTES:

“There are intersecting, overlapping and reinforcing meta crisis happening right now. And so it's not just any single thing, and none of the challenges that we're facing, stop or respect, zip codes or political boundaries” [9:42]

“And so we have to actually be willing to lean into that drop. It's like skateboarding or snowboarding or anything, like you're standing on the lip of something steep, you don't fall back away from it, you actually have to lean into it, to stick the landing.” [17:52]

“...the point isn't to end the game victorious. The point is to keep playing for as long as possible, with as many people as possible.” [21:39]


“No one beats our collective intelligence.” [57:12]

“grieve globally, [...] actually open our hearts to the wound of the world right now, and everyone and everything on it, but thrive locally.” [57:49]

“tribalism is destiny and humanism is optional” [1:02:33]

“we need to get more effective and more deliberate and more inclusive about our access to healing, inspiration and connection.” [1:10:31]

“...when we try and suppress the random and fickle and unknowable nature of existence, right, we tend to create more trauma, we tend to create more heartache, versus just bearing witness in the not knowing of it all.” [1:56:00]

“I wake up in the morning torn between the desire to save the world, or savor it.” [1:58:52]

“...instead of me trying to escape my mundane existence, I'm coming back to it. And I'm coming back to it with fresh eyes and an open heart and gratitude.” [2:04:23]

Follow Jamie Wheal:

[TomBilyeu]

With so many potential ways that apocalypse could tear down the society, what brings you the most hope from Jamie Wheal for a potential utopian society?

[katelankendrick]

I love that very true reminder that when you smash a “system” to make change, what rises to the top is not peace and love its power . A scary power . We forget that .

[adamisaac]

it's time for us to rise up and face the music.
let's be the light in this world.
don't hide yourself away in your pleasure cocoon.
say yes to experience.
love yourself unconditionally friends

[KevinSmith-gwrk]

"Grieve globally, thrive locally"
"Tribalism is guaranteed, humanism is optional"

[optimizeyourlife]

“Faith is not belief without proof, but rather trust without reservation.” That one hit me in such a wonderful way.

[savewithstoriesalaska]

Enhancing and encouraging small communities to be self sufficient and take care of themselves is definitely one solution we should be working towards ❤

[crowlsyong]

26:57 I appreciate you thinking out loud on camera and being vulnerable. It's a brave move in todays world. Thanks for what you contribute.

[AgapeLove]

I don't think this is over peoples heads at all .... It is a breath of fresh air. How beautiful the bridge between the complex and the simplicity of metaphor

[Teal_Seal]

Trance dances: we used to come together through sports, comedy, other entertainment, etc. Now everything’s political and “silence is violence”. We’re being divided on purpose. I refuse to hate people who are brainwashed to hate me. I strive to bless and sometimes, if I’m lucky, make them smile. Love and laughter can build bridges.

[johnadams]

The MOST learned, articulate, well-read, and interesting guest you've ever had with 2 hours of killer quotes. He's Strong AI

[ReynaSingh]

Humanity created its problems, we have to be the ones to solve it

[infernalweasal]

I think that we're understanding how to wake up. That to me is amazing! Thanks Tom and Team for bringing us this show!

[zaharabardavid]

This was one of the most compelling guests/subjects ever featured on your podcast. My husband watched it twice.

[PinkSallyProductions]

I am so glad that Jamie Wheal has a new book out, it means that he is appearing on YouTube interviews more often! Thank you for having him on as a guest, I always enjoy your interviews and this one is now on my favourites list. Mr Wheal has such an amazing mind and and the articulation of language to match it. I could listen to you two think out loud all day, thank you 🌹

[aydnofastro-action]

Jung said, “it takes a great man to sink so low. “

Let’s hope this goes for humanity as well.

[plasmoidsound]

Trust your instincts an intuition as a sovereign Human individual, stay away from “collective pendulums “

[gianfranco]

Great interview technique yields a thorough exploration of the guests ideas. Tom understood the book, held the guest fast to the details of his questions but then got out of the way of the long detailed answers. Great technique. I can tell I'm going to be digging into this channel.

[mitochondriac]

I really enjoyed this little conversation. Having said that... I reckon we’re collectively fucked.

[rachaellamkin]

Favorite part at 9:21 when Tom asks, "why do we need to find meaning?". Jamie doesn't actually answer the question. For his whole problem to be a problem, humans must be anguished by the lack of meaning. But what of those people who are not burdened by existentialist crisis? Now, I am in Jami'e camp, ive read Nietzsche for decades, but I want to be in Tom's camp where many of my friends reside: perfectly fine with the complete (truthful) lack of meaning in our wonderful accidental lives

[HappyPandaPropertyServicesTV]

I love the way this guy makes things relatable but deeply thoughtful. A really interesting guy and guest to listen to Tom.