What if America and Britain Went to War in 1933?

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[BurneraccountXD]

In a similar vain, here's a thought, what if France and Britain refused to back down during the Suez crisis, and The US and The Soviet Union decided to collaborate militarily against them?

[Pieteer]

Every Modern Empire isn't even on the list anymore 😭😭😭😭😭

[SandboxRaptor]

The UK: You underestimate my power!
The US: Don't try it

[wouter-jansen]

It's just too late for Britain. Sure, they were at their territorial peak, but the British Empire was already in decline for a long time before that, whilst the US was on the rise.

[perturabo]

Imagine in this timeline Germany invites America to the axis due to their mutual enemies instead of Japan.

[paulharveu]

Please do a scenario where as part of the Russian sale of Alaska, the US and Russia sign a mutual defense pact against UK and Japan. People don't realize that Russia and US both had concerns about both, and that the UK and Japan where very close between the 1870s and 1920s

[Slashkig]

Wake up babe, new Possible History just dropped

[GG-irhw]

I think you have fundamentally misunderstood naval warfare of this time period. The US in 1933 had no fast capital ships comparable to British and Japanese Battlecruisers. They also didn’t have any fast battleships under construction because everyone took a ten year break with the Washington naval treaty. American cruisers would be hard pressed to commerce raid when a battlecruiser could catch and eliminate a squadron with ease.

British + Japanese subs Vs American submarines. I think US submarines will thrive in US waters up to Atlantic and initially decent in pacific but would be forced to withdraw as the loss of US bases would leave them out of range. However US submarines would be hard pressed to hunt Britains home waters, the med, the North Sea or Indian Ocean areas as they have no bases here to project from and insufficient range for any meaningful operation here. Britains sub fleet would likely base itself in the Caribbean and be right in Americas territory from the get go. The Japanese would lock down the pacific. In terms of anti submarine warfare I think Britain had the most experience and innovation in this counter field so I think US Subs would also take decent losses. Whereas British subs would be less challenged by USN surface escorts.

Most of the world’s shipping at this time was through the British merchant fleet also. Americas merchant fleet and global trade would’ve been utterly cut off. America could cut Britains trade to North America maybe contest South America. But with Japan as well, Americas merchant fleet would have no trading partners outside of North America. A huge blow to the economy along with the now to be unpaid British loans. Meanwhile Britain is free to trade with the rest of the world far safer bar North America.

American Industry in WW2 had allied demands and orders warming it up for full swing when they did commit to war. This wouldn’t be the case in this time line. Also how do you build ships when Dockyard has 15” shells flying into the drydock? Major coastal cities such as New York and San Francisco may well find them selves levelled.

Japan alone in WW2 was an incredibly difficult target for the USN especially initially. In this scenario in 1933 radar isn’t as established and Britain leads the way in its eventual making of the cavity magnetron. In the mean time the IJN and RN night fighting training was unparalleled.

The USN would be forced to commit 1/3 of its fleet to the pacific and 2/3 to the Atlantic. It can risk a 1 v 1 with the RN on the Atlantic but this would have to be early war, as fast as possible and still likely been an American defeat. Concentrating all your naval assets on one power at a time leaves the other power with complete domination of that theatre and the coast vulnerable, it’s a big dilemma really.

In terms of naval aviation both Britain and the IJN mastered port strike surprise attacks see raid on Taranto and Pearl harbour. The USN Lexingtons are good carriers but there’s only two of them so committing both to one theatre leaves a theatre without adequate air protection. Another consideration is Panama Canal. It’s well within striking range and we be a devastating strategic loss to the USN. Meanwhile Britains Jugular of Suez is completely off limits to the USN.

The US would eventually take Canada. But its economy through the shock of its biggest debt not being repaid to it plus its merchant fleet -> global trade being destroyed would be devastating. The USN navy would be outnumbered heavily initially and wouldn’t be able to build vessels quick enough to negate this.

Even at Americas WW2 peak capital ships still take a minimum of 1 year to build. That’s with the US coastline unthreatened. If these naval yards get bombarded or carrier striked then they can’t produce anything that quick properly. Meaning US ships can’t be replaced on a rate at which they are sinking that also can over take Britain and Japans building rate.

The US will have Canada but it losses Panama, the Philippines, and its pacific territories. Its war and merchant fleets and subsequent economy is in absolute ruins. Some major ports and cities on the Coastline have also been levelled by naval artillery, New York skyscrapers and Norfolks dock yards are big targets. US Air power is helping negate the allied dominance of the seas, along with American submarines. However the giant is more economically hurt and damaged than its rivals. A peace treaty would likely be signed.

[Depressugar]

UK: Is seen as the bad guy for invading Ireland
Canada getting invaded by the US at the start of the war for no reason: Am I a joke to you?

[lynxgirlpaws]

"This video explores a purely hypothetical scenario" yes, , , this is an alternate history video, , , this is what I am here for king

[The_Only_Pickle]

Dude I love how the maps look I don’t even know how to explain it, they just tingle my brain so much

[Jacky-ztch]

US and UK: Went to War in 1933

Hitler who just came to power: bruh

[BasicallyBaconSandvichIV]

When there's a really unrealistic scenario I always imagine someone timetravelling specifically to change it.
This was for sure done by a bunch of drunk interns from America, England, Canada and one guy from Portugal who were arguing about who'd win and happened to be just lucky and persuasive enough to test it out.

[shocksaber]

as an AUstralian I can confidently say we would **not** drift to the USA

[hklassehutten]

Aspects that PH deliberately forgot to make a total BS conclusion because "Muh murica better, no.1 choeseborgar in tha wurld".

1. America's underdeveloped and untrained army facing professional Canadians on their soil and possible commonwealth landings on famously unprotected coastlines.

2. Most of America's fleet was in the Pacific (Facing superior Anglo, Japanese and Commonwealth fleets), with the East Coast being held by the more undesirable warships, which have to face against main bulk of Britain's veteran fleets (not counting other commonwealth fleets).

3. The American merchant fleet would mostly cease outside of small River/Costal runs, meaning imports would dry up for the American industry.

4. American industry after 4 years since the great depression was certainly not 3 times the size of the British commonwealth, this is not 1945, this is 1933.

5. Britain doesn't even need to blockade the whole US east coat, Belize is right beside the Panama canal.

6. America, attacking its old ally would essentially be isolating itself diplomatically even more than FDR and Woodrow Wilson could dream of.

I can't think of anything else, if any of you people can conjure up more reasons why this 2020's Hollywood levels of plot armour is complete bs, please let me know.

[lucasmackay]

So basically, Asia gets the good ending and Europe gets the bad ending

[bobbytate]

If the americans avoid a naval battle wouldn't britian just raid the coast so if they protect the coast a naval battle would happen, I believe that the USA wouldn't have a wipeout win especially if japan is helping. I believe that at least, this would be a 1816 scenario

[epiclazerpie]

this 100% needs a continuation, what a dope scenario

[tinylittlebabybat]

i feel like during this timeline, Britain and Germany could consider becoming allies? Since having mutual enemies and their interests might've aligned a little better

[Canada_Goose]

What if Alaska was sold to Lichtenstein. Russia originally offeres Alaska to the landlocked(at the time, it is now double landlocked meaning it only borders landlocked nations) micro nation of Lichenstein, and they understandably declined.