EP109 Forrest Landry on Immanent Metaphysics: Part 2

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Forrest Landry & Jim build on the foundation they built in his last JRS episode to continue to flesh out Forrest’s Immanent Metaphysics. They explore the self, subject/object relationship, perception, the nature of choice & process, causality & determinism, realism vs idealism, dualism, the foundational triplicate, the three modalities, statement & implications of Forrest’s three axioms, their associated modalities, and much more.

[FaanaMusic]

Super profound stuff, I'm listening to this for probably like the 5th time.

[karl]

By the way Jim just wanna let you know I enjoy the show immensely. Thank you.

[annemariesegeat]

Amazing podcast Jim Thank you! I love Forrest! That is my favorite one, the clairity expressed here is such a gift! And the end, the axioms part... The modalities correspond to the axioms, and the modalities themselves describe their own relationships...now, how am I goign to sleep :)

[jeffbyers]

1:19:18 *class of omniscient precedes instance of transcendent (not immanent). He misspoke there. Just pointing that out because axiom 2 is hard enough to get as it is!

[annemariesegeat]

Choice is transcendent.
Choice is part of a triplicate of the domain of what is Real:
In order to grasp what is real we need:
Choice, causation (omniscient), change (immanente)

In every domain that it is to know in order to cover the basis we always need three concepts.
Like in language you would need to know about :
Statement (immanent)
Syntax (omniscient)
Semantic ( transcendent because it goes beyond the domain of language, like pointing to a possibility as well)
(lEx: you would need statements, as they are the units of meaningfulness, so few of them (many instances) in order to even make syntax (to make one Class) and few classes to make semantic.
A soundness concept.

Perfected hard randomness and choice have the same sort of difference
as causality and determinism has.
Choice and causation are in fact duals to one another..
In other words, a symmetry between determinism and indeterminism.

Transcendent, omniscient and immanente.
Distinct, inseparable, non interchangeable.
Like in the concept of Universe if we would want to know all about it we would need to know about those 3 primal concepts:
Creation (transcendent)
Existence (omniscient)
Interaction (immanente)
When we want to talk about one of them we have to use the other 2 of the triplicates to describe one component.
Co-emergency.
Like co-emergency also in itself if we are to describe itm needs the concept of process, and further, the concept of interaction)


The 3 modalities correspond to the axioms!
Because metaphysics explains itself and the the one that is doing the metahysicing)
Because the pattern of relationship is the same between domains, isomorphism!
Axiom 1 to omniscient, third person
Axiom 2 to immanent, first hand experience
(therefore the observer is included, and the act of ‘’metaphysicing’’ describing itself…
in other words, the process of the process itself...powerful!)
axiom 3 transcendent, second person (basis of the mediation of axiom 1 and 2)

[karl]

It's funny, because I don't know anything about object oriented programming, and thus don't leap to associations or preconceptions, these terms and definitions are not confusing to me at all and I can follow just fine haha
Sometimes "the less you know" I guess.