Safety vs. No Safety

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[BrewCityRider]

I personally would not carry IWB without an engaged manual safety, but that's just my preference. While its true that the gun won't go bang without the trigger being pulled, that doesn't necessarily mean that a finger has to be involved. Could be a piece of clothing getting in the trigger guard as your re-holstering or maybe a stressful un-holstering where your finger does "accidentally" or "negligently" pull the trigger (Glock leg.) And, as I'm sure you know, having a trigger safety does not 100% prevent an object other than a finger from activating the trigger. Anyway, just some things for you to consider. By the way, I carried a DA/SA semi-auto pistol OWB on the job for 25 years with the manual safety off. In fact, we didn't even call it a safety, we called it a decocking lever. Enjoy your vids, thanks!

[ACommenterOnYouTube]

its easier to chamber a round than to remember to pull OFF the safety IMO ...
Chambering LOOKS easier

[davep]

A couple of years ago when I bought my first gun, I tried several types of guns owned by a friend. One of the reasons I chose to buy a double-action revolver is that while there is no safety, the trigger pull takes deliberate force and a long pull. That affects accuracy in target practice but in up-close self defense situations I can't picture it being a problem.

[DaGunGuy]

I think there needs to be a discussion of the distinction between negligent discharge and accidental discharge. A manual safety is intended to prevent both while a trigger "safety" would only help minimize a negligent discharge. For me, on my carries, I'll keep the manual safety and just practice how to shoot my gun.

[kingslurpee]

DEFINITELY HAVE A SAFETY, better safe than sorry

[chocolatte]

I have heard that argument over and over about, what if you forget to unsafe your weapon in a stressful situation? But are there any statistics on that occurring, also known as facts? There are plenty of statistics on people inadvertently shooting themselves when drawing or holstering. If you are an everyday carry person you have at least two opportunities a day to shoot yourself if you holster and unholster. The vast majority of people are never in a need to draw situation in their lives. Statistics favor the safety I would say.

[danlong]

I have customers all the time especially first time gun owners don’t feel safe without manual safety, I try explaining the pros and cons with a safety .

[GAMarine]

I go with a safety, but I know it's a hot topic

[williamcooper]

As a martyr I completely disagree with Don. No one is infallible except god; put your damn safety on.

[BullittOutdoors]

Just keep the safety off, kind of a no-brainer.

[Swagger-qvtr]

I carry IWB. My safety is always on while the firearm is holstered. I draw with a claw grip. As I bring the firearm up to my dominant eye, and I’m transitioning my grip to a master grip, my thumb rolls down and the safety comes off. With a lot of practice, I’ve gotten pretty quick at this draw stroke. I practice drawing both, single handed, incase my other hand is fending off an attacker. And, I draw using both hands.

[bdm]

I don't wholly agree or disagree, and I certainly don't go along with the YouTube crowd, but this is what I think if anyone is interested. Jen, I would consider keeping the Shield as is.

I think subdued safeties are fine and desirable. I primarily carry a Glock 19 and a Glock 26, but if either of them had a safety like the Shield, I would be fine with it. It gives you options. You may find yourself with a friend realizing you can't bring a gun in somewhere, and depending on the holster you're wearing, it might not be prudent to take it off. A safety allows me to throw it into a lockable glove compartment, and if anything were to get caught in the trigger guard, or the vehicle it was in got towed away, or something happened to me—and someone else had access to it—It would be an extra layer of protection.

Moreover, it can help with blind holstering, especially blind holstering under stress. I had an FNS9c I would carry appendix sometimes because it had a safety. I would load my gun with a round in the chamber, put the safety on, holster it, ensure nothing was snagging, and then take the safety off. In my way of thinking, if I could not remember to take it off after doing that, I have no business getting in a car, going to work, or interacting with anyone in society.

I also never felt the pressure to put the safety on while it was in my holster which some people seem to fear might happen as if the desire will be too overwhelming to resist. As soon as concealed carry became legal in my state well over a decade ago, I got my permit and I've carried both safety and non-safety guns from the beginning, and I never accidentally actuated one (albeit, I wouldn't own an M&P 9 or M&P 9c with one).

Moreover, the chances of me being in a gunfight are low, but the chances that my firearm could get put in a glove compartment has happened more than once. Even if it hadn't, or even if I had carried and never had a ND in 20 years like the guy in the video, that doesn't mean it won't happen.

Accidents vs. negligence is a legal distinction. We usually don't call car "accidents" "car negligence" for a reason. We all fly on autopilot once in awhile and make mistakes—or have accidents—regardless what legal terms would be used.

I suggest people stop going with the flow on YouTube because even professionals with decades of experience—who make themselves out to be the end all/be all authority on training—have said some stupendously dumb things about firearms.


Personally, I recommend striker status indicators when possible. I have one from my Glock 26 which is the gun I carry the majority of the time. I ride the status indicator like a hammer when I holster my weapon. The PPS/PPS M2 have the same feature (which is how I started using them a few years ago). The SSI for Glocks made by NDZ Performance were not intended for that purpose and the discontinued them. I contacted them and convinced them that this was a good use, so they decided to put them back into production and I plan on putting one on my G19. Again, I don't feel like I need one, I carry my G19 now and I had an M&P 40c for seven years that I carried almost exclusively that did NOT have a safety, but I sure would never try to convince someone they're not needed. That person who is next to shoot themselves in the butt or worse wouldn't appreciate that. aI just believe in giving people good information with a variety of perspectives so they can make an informed decision for themselves.

I don't claim to be an expert, but I have proven to myself that I think these things through most than most YouTube personalities. Lastly, I was happy to see Massad Ayoob feels basically the same way I do. When you have him in your camp, you know you're probably doing something right. Anyway, I hope people watch this video I linked if nothing else.

[highkicker]

i dont own a gun or can own a gun yet in my country but i think the best savety in the gray stuff between the ears.

[beetlejerk]

I like a safety it’s one more thing a kid needs to figure out before it goes boom

[TacticalTortuga]

my daily carry is An m&p 40 shield and it has a safety I personally don't always use it but I just love the shields build I'm not gonna get another gun just cause I don't use the safety on it and I like having a safety knowing if I ever needed it for example around kids that it'd have one on there. but bottom line this is all just a matter of opinion

[playerzero]

> cbf to remember the simple action of deactivating a tiny 4lb lever because of "stress"

> expects to win a life-threatening engagement.

[markjmaxwell]

I like trigger safeties on semi auto striker fired handguns.
And if it's a military or law enforcement striker fired hand gun a trigger or external safety.

[onlyychevys]

Or just leave the safety off all the time and keep the gun you have! Oh I forgot, your selling guns lol. Just kidding guys, thumbs up and thanks for sharing!

[G]

For a duty pistol or SHTF or home defense, no safety. But for a CCW ya definitely having a safety is the way to go. Not even a question. Also just because u may have to use your CCW one day does not mean a safety is gonna hurt you unless u move way to slow.

[g.shumway]

She’s got an MP shirt on, and it was the shield that had the Manuel safety malfunction (safety lever would turn “on” if large ammo produced too much recoil)