Here's The Plan For Eurovision 2025... | EBU Statement

At long last, after all of the drama and controversies seen at EUROVISION 2024, the EBU have issued a statement revealing how things are going to change for the following edition in 2025! Is it a clear guideline for the future? Or does it bring about more questions than answers...?

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[AdamMartyn]

Just an update to this, after this video got posted I read that the NRK for Norway have confirmed that they WILL take part in Eurovision 2025 now that the EBU have issued out this statement. Though they do stress that there are further things that they wish to be addressed and worked on, but are seeming more positive now than before!

[robmortimer]

To me this feels like a ‘we aren’t ready to give specifics yet, but need to say something’ message

[productjoe]

The creation of an ESC Director role is an effective demotion for Österdahl. Some of his responsibilities have been taken away, he will have less political power, and he now has someone checking his work. From a people management perspective, this is the sort of thing you do when you want someone to exit themselves from the building.

[georgehand]

I am not confident that the EBU has learnt anything and I want them to publish the review in full as I definitely want to read it for myself

[littlekermit]

People say that Joost is actually trolling us all and that he really got hurt because of the qualification to the point he went back to therapy. Idk man, this is so confusing. At least let's hope Joost is going to be fine again ❤

[Gert-cb]

There's only one way I read the messaging from the EBU at the moment:

1) We know this may happen again and we cannot have the responsibility be on one plate, so we've invented another role to split the responsibility for if it happens again. Considering Österdahl was the only one carrying the responsibility, we understand what he tried to do and defend his overseeing of the decisions made in 2024.
2) We will consult the *participating broadcasters* whether they want a certain country in or not. We can safeguard Israel's 'non-political' participation in this case, since only Iceland was discussing Israel's participation before the contest and was the only one to potentially act on it. Note the focus on the word *agreed* list of participants: this indicates that they are still behind their decision to include Israel and inherently holds that all other *participating broadcasters* did the same.
3) We will simplify the rules and code of conduct and make it entirely unambiguous, so we can actually hold artists accountable. Not only that, we will transfer this accountability to the delegations proper: if the artist does something that is *according to us* not in line with the rules or code of conduct, we have the freedom to punish the entire delegation, as the delegation will not have reeled in their artist.

It is basically another way of saying: we acknowledge that others tried to ruin our party, and the responsibility is fully theirs. We will just make it unambiguous now with our new setup. It is actually rather disappointing, because in practice it means that artists and delegations will feel even more scrutiny as we move ahead.

[Ehrgeiz]

With all due respect, to allow a delegation from a warring nation to cause trouble and yet be protected to the level the EBU did in Malmö, was the thing that brought the most disrepute to the ESC. The disqualification of the Netherlands just emphasized the double standard during the event and truly makes the management the foremost party to blame for said disrepute.

[silsilsilly]

The Netherlands has been there from the start of this annual contest, as one of the first 7 countries together with Switzerland, Belgium, Germany, France, Luxembourg and Italy.

As a Dutch person it would be sad to not have an Eurovision song contest participant from my country next year since it's good enteretainment. I grew up With this show every year and watched it with my parents when i was a kid. It was a yearly tradition for me to watch this event. But this year left me with mixed feelings.

The way this year went damaged the support of this country to the event a lot, and to make that up, the eurovision song contest needs to do more than these statements. I can totally understand and support Avrotros, in their decision whatever they chose to do next year.

These changes to me feel more like a way to get a lightening rod for the backlash if a bad descision is made, so the persons who made it don't get the blame but the new director gets the backlash instead.

But lets see how this plays out... Switzerland is a great country and i hope they get the room to fix things.

[BramLastname]

If you read carefully this doesn't solve any of the issues,
All they did was move the responsibility for their own decisions onto other people.
They put a lackey between the audience an Martin,
They specified that only an approved list of countries is allowed to complain,
And they prevented the higher ups from being held responsible for artists' safety.

[belinus]

It's your typical corporate say-nothing statement

[Nostalgics-ndqb]

Been loving these constant Eurovision uploads that have being going at a fast pace. Keep it up.👍👏👏

[robspereall]

Thank you for translating the statement into English. I must have read through it about five times the other day and still thought that it must have been written by Gus Hedges from Drop the Dead Donkey.

[roanoke]

I want to see that review/investigation. Because this sounds a lot like nothing said in a lot of words. It doesnt actually adress any concrete problems that ocuurred.

[markc]

Is it me or have they've just added more committees with more people that will end up changing very little 😮.... There has always been a culture of bullying which unfortunately hasn't been addressed 😢😢. Interesting update, thanks Adam ❤

[Oktaimans]

Shame that Lugano is too small to hold the 70th edition

[.yourmoralcompass]

It's probably one of the worst cases of self reflection ever.

[bbobby]

I read this as the EBU has its fingers crossed we will all forget 2024, I’m not forgetting it and right now I’m not watching or taking part as a fan, unless we get apologies for clearly wrong decisions then I’m out for good. The Netherlands should be give a free ride into the grand final and an apology, the EBU should apologise for not protecting Joost, they agreed no filming directly after his performance, so why wasn’t the woman who broke the agreement multiple times, given the sack before the final time she did it and caused Joost reaction ? Nothing in the statement about government’s buying adverts to target people not even watching the ESC to vote for their act. I think the statement is weak and it’s doing the least it can to appear like it is listening but it’s not. Martin Osterdahl needs to go and this statement ignores that. Very disappointed about this they really are not understanding the strength of feeling that the EBU is completely out of touch.

[saskiamckenna]

Although I'm relieved they didn't use Martin as a scapegoat, fire him and leave everyone else unscathed. It's all well and good to announce new roles but it's all about who fills them. Kind of funny they've invented 5 new jobs just so they can say they didn't demote Martin.
But yeah despite a corporate shakeup I don't really see how this report addresses anything really. But time will tell. I know that this is just a first step and artists including Bambie Thug are also involved in these investigations.
This is the problem that we won't know how effective this actually is until May 2025.

[nelo]

I still want to believe that I still am a fan of Eurovision. I didn't watch this year because of Israel still being there and I really don't want to abstain from watching it again because of them or any other active conflictor country that made things go too far not being ousted.

Even the Portuguese public media, RTP, had complained about Israel harassing Iolanda, this year's Portuguese artist.

It should NOT go on like this, definitely!

[dartaegle]

all this just makes me super sad, I dont whant any country to leave (include mine), its hard to enjoy eurovision now with all these thoughts in my head, if my country dose leave eurovision idk if I will still be able to enjoy the contest anymore, its a part of the fun seeing your country qualify and do well in the final, as a latvian I waited many years to finaly see us qualify, and now possibly I will never see it again