Blizzard just NERFED M+ Tanks INTO THE GROUND...

Quazii discusses the latest round of Tank nerfs going into WoW The War Within.

*************************************************

𝗙𝗥𝗘𝗘 𝗤𝗨𝗔𝗭𝗜𝗜 𝗪𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗔𝗨𝗥𝗔𝗦 & 𝗨𝗜

𝗤𝗨𝗔𝗭𝗜𝗜 𝗔𝗗𝗗𝗢𝗡 𝗠𝗔𝗦𝗧𝗘𝗥𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗦𝗦𝗘𝗦

𝗤𝗨𝗔𝗭𝗜𝗜 𝗕𝗘𝗦𝗧 𝗦𝗘𝗧𝗨𝗣 𝗧𝗥𝗜𝗖𝗞𝗦 & 𝗛𝗔𝗖𝗞𝗦

𝗤𝗨𝗔𝗭𝗜𝗜 𝗧𝗔𝗡𝗞 𝗚𝗨𝗜𝗗𝗘𝗦

𝗪𝗢𝗪 𝟮𝟬𝟮𝟰 𝗡𝗘𝗪 𝗣𝗟𝗔𝗬𝗘𝗥 𝗦𝗧𝗔𝗥𝗧𝗘𝗥 𝗞𝗜𝗧

𝗧𝗔𝗟𝗞 𝗧𝗢 𝗠𝗘 𝗢𝗡 𝗦𝗢𝗖𝗜𝗔𝗟𝗦

*************************************************

00:00 TWW M+ Tanking will NOT be the same
19:09 Thoughts on Class Update
19:53 Blood Death Knights
25:27 Vengeance Demon Hunter
27:12 Guardian Druids
30:25 Brewmaster Monks
32:09 Protection Paladin
33:24 Protection Warriors
34:18 Possible Solutions

[wiyix]

The times where a pug healer has told me: "Good tanking buddy!", usually it is accompanied by a: "I hardly even had to heal you!", not the other way around.

[oatfarls]

Anyone playing retail right now knows that listing a key results in getting 50 dps applications for every 1 tank or healer. Making tanks or healers even less fun does not seem like the way to go.

[Kayserchannel]

If it ends up being kite season again, im not touching a tank.

[christopherneil]

Don’t worry guys, Blizzard thought ahead to make sure it doesn’t become kite season by giving the mobs 40 yard melee range

[Stresstest_]

I wanna be the front line of this group *Proceeds to run away from every pulls for 30min*

[darkonyx]

Am I wrong to say that they should never tune around the mdi because the greatest majority of players are not mdi players?

[Unitos_]

Feeling like Spiteful is attacking you every pull as a tank, is a great analogy.

[enbeeyo]

In lower brackets btw, less competent tanks already require pretty severe healer babysitting. Why make a change because somewhere in the high reaches of perfect execution you can sometimes forego using a healer altogether? Are they stupid? I got 3k rating on 2 separate healers and I've been in PLENTY of runs where tanks don't have a shot at staying alive without my constant intervention. On top of that it's so rare to do runs where DPS actually use their offhealing/defensives correctly. Without tanks or DPS playing perfectly good luck playing healerless as it stands, anyway.

This is just going to cause shit tanks to not even have a chance and burn out more healers and tanks.

[justanotherviewer]

After doing testing yesterday, I can confirm that kiting is back. With an organized party of friends and playing VDH with my friend on his main healer, our most comfortable specs, multi-3k seasons in these roles, I still had to kite mobs.

The tuning is all off. In a +5 mists my demon spikes dropped for 3 seconds and I literally went from 100% to 0% health in less than two seconds. The death recap from a pack of 4 mobs had 6 hits of 1 million+. What am I supposed to do? This wasn’t a “tank buster” and I’m encouraged to hold my meta for those, but the second my only active mitigation ended I got nuked. There’s no in-between.

This first season is going to be a carnival of hotfixes and complaints. I can’t imagine pugging with these changes.

[Tiadracor]

The way I read the DK changes was that Death Strike would heal instances of damage once. Not that it would only heal one instance of damage.

So when you take a tank buster, currently you can use Death Strike multiple times in the five seconds after the tank buster and get healing multiple times from that hit. They want to make it heal from that tank buster once.

I don't like the change, but I don't think it's as bad as only healing the last single instance of damage.

[Volnesh]

"It feels like the person who did this, didn't really play bear." It certainly seems like no one really plays bear at blizz.
Kitch did a long write up about all the problems Bear currently has in the beta feedback thread. These nerfs coming after bearely any changes between DF S2 and Beta just feels really bad.

[jeffbateman]

So I feel some context is in order here. I’ve watched all the way through many of these “tank nerf” videos. The similar thread that ties these all together is the content that is being talked about. Every video references “high” keys and meta set ups. These changes have been FORCED onto us tanks because of meta groups, because of MDI teams running 4 dps and a tank because of people who are running +18 and above on a regular basis. If you don’t think Blizzard sees this through data strings you’re fooling yourself. I don’t blame them or anything, but the facts are as clear as could be. Players in +10 and AOTC range again pay the price for the 5% club. I respect those who push, it every choice comes with consequences. And we are paying for there choices.

[hakamag]

As a healer main I say that if kitting for tanks is not fun... DPSing for healers is even less fun

[Bcaps]

We already had the kiting problem back in Shadowlands. Blizzard realized it sucked to have to kite everything and made changes to fix it, I hope we aren't repeating history.

[jherron]

I think you are misinterpreting or mistating the change to death strike. It still looks back 5s it just will delete from memory any damage that was already healed back by deathstrike

[nickrepinski]

As a healer main at heart I personally don't mind tanks getting hit harder requiring more healing from the healer as it should remove the requirement to push DPS. As a healer I want to heal and not DPS. What I want to see removed are the mobs and abilities where 1 or 2 missed kicks wipe the entire group in a 1 shot (Expulse from the mobs in Halls of Infusion as an example). As a healer I feel helpless in those situations and really has been discouraging in dungeons in Dragonflight which made me switch to tanking this expansion. I would rather those types of abilities be changed to a channel with slowly increasing damage over time until kicked or killed. As a healer I can throw the team on my back "Save" them. With this past expansion I had to play a tank to get this same enjoyment.

[mahatmaandi]

I wouldn't mind getting the healer - tank relationship back, but for this they have to nerf random dungeon abilities but a lot. So that DPS don't get trucked all the time. Way to many oneshots.

But honestly I am still waiting for guardian druid change, since Legion beta (~9 years) almost no change, and hero trees are not good enough.

[MikePhillips]

"Aw shit dude... did you see that sick infernal leap to kite from the top of the stairs to the bottom of the stairs."
"Hell yeah. Nice ring of peace. I hardly had to heal you."
LOL

[GMSdackel]

The bdk changes hurt so much… this looks like they just change us to have to rely on healers. If that’s actually the case this spec is completely fried :(

[wendy.allison]

Idk man. I don't see lower keys not needing healers now. The highest I got is 12 as a resto shaman and it's rare for me to not have to heal my ass off. I mean really rare. It's already a bitch to heal most DPS because they stand in stupid, don't interrupt, or they don't even use their own cool downs and then their are the tanks to heal. This change sounds like the average healers nightmare.