I Was WRONG About Penny's Father

Penny's Father has been talked about since the release of Scarlet and Violet, and while I thought it was gonna be Chairman Rose, it turned out to be his more obvious brother, Peony.

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[Shadow-Joop-]

On Peony's league card you can see that Peony's wife was white so I think Penny just has more of her mother's DNA

[BakingHimani]

Skin complexion of the parents doesn’t mean much. My parents, my brother and myself are darker skinned, however my sister is quite fair. And we’re definitely related we’ve all done 23 and me. Genetics are crazy.

[utlukka]

Peony's wife appears on one of his league cards and she is light skinned. So it's entirely possible Penny just inherited more from her mother than her father while Peonia inherited more from Peony.

[jamesizmynmek]

I guessed a Peony connection from this scene but not because of the "Adven-tour" line (though it felt familiar at the time) It was when Penny refers to her dad as "Ultra-mega-annoying". With "Ultra-mega" being something Peony said a LOT.

[ScreamingRedLobby]

It makes total sense, she just ended up looking more like her mom. And he probably wasn't worried or mentioning Penny in SW/SH because either they (Gamefreak) hadn't made Penny yet or if you want more of an in game excuse it was because she was most likely in Paldea at this time and not sent back to Galar so he didn't have to worry about her

[FireFury]

I mean given this was a father daughter trip just between Peony and Peonia I don't see any reason why they'd need to bring up the other kid. Me and my dad don't always bring up my brother when we're hanging out. And it's the same the other way around. Also Peony's trainer card shows his wife is white. Kids of mixed couples can have different complexions. This does also mean Penny completely dyed her hair. That being said I need to see Peony and Peonia added into Masters EX so we can have the family interact.

[trischecallister]

Peony is shown to not be the sharpest honedge of the bunch, so him not mentioning a second daughter isn't that farfetched

[danteswildlife]

Penny’s Japanese name is “Baton” which is another name for the Peony Flower. Also did you know there’s a flower called the Penny Lane Rose…it’s perfect.

[exia]

I am guessing maybe in the timeline, Penny to get away from his "annoying father" opted to study in Paldea rather than staying in galar like her sister. Timeline wise, the events of crown tundra happened when penny is in paldea, probably during the time she was being bullied before starting Team Star. Peony to cope up with Penny leaving might have decided to take the adven-tour to take his mind off Penny leaving.

[oldscoolgaming]

Since Penny is Peony’s daughter, that also means Peonia(Nia) is her sister.

[GustavoJua]

We'll probably see Briar's book next gen like how we saw Sonia's.

[VerdantRange]

Why was Penny not mentioned in SwSh? Well, why would that be relevant? Hell, the fact Penny is away could be why Peony's so clingy. Plus, based on looks, I'd think it's safe to say that Peonia is the older of the two. Peony's rare league card shows him back when he was a gym leader with a much younger Peonia and his wife, indicating this photo was taken before Penny was born.

Speaking of the wife, it's probable that Penny just got most of her looks from her mother. Notice how Penny's eye shape is the same as Peony and Peonia, but instead of green, her eyes are black. Plus, we don't know the mother's eye color, but I figure it's probable they match Penny's.

[nvdawahyaify]

Skin color can change quite drastically in some people. My brother is pretty pale normally, mostly because he spends all his time inside away from the sun (just like how penny likes to stay in a dark room on her computer). However when my brother did spend more time outside, he turned mahogany.

Some folks can tan really dark, and then lose the tan with enough time away from sunlight.

[adamoswaldplayz]

3:24 if you look at the league cards you'd see that Peony's Wife (who is present in one of them) has the same skin complexion as Penny

[trailguidealex]

The crown tundra is a small island that's a rual community. Peonie probably didn't want force his internet addicted indoor daughter to go there. While the daughter he did take seemed more adventurous and would enjoy it.

[OurKindofEntertainment]

The Rose theory was the one I heard of when SV first came out. I don't really remember much about Rose's personality aside from his obsession with preventing a second Darkest Day via Eternatus which unironically caused the thing he wanted to prevent.

Here's how I see it, post-Darkest Day we see a Rose that is not like how he was before. Perhaps his brother's parenting traits rubbed off on him and he's overbearing (but loving). Without the Eternatus stuff being the focal point of his life, he opted to turn all of his attention to parenthood and well you get the Rose that Penny knows of in her life.

[Moon-Vixen]

it could only have been Peony tbh, and I say that as A Certified Galar Scholar who's literally written college essays on the SWSH's lore/symbolism.

the entire point of Rose vs Peony in the game was that they both had the same trauma (loss of their father in a mining accident) and both wanted to prevent children from suffering a pain like that again, but went about it in like, the exact opposite ways.

and they showed us this by presenting both as father figures to a child character (Peonia and Bede, and us) but we are shown that Rose neglects "his child" and can't even be bothered to remember his name (and by Bede's defeated resignation in response it's clear that's happened many times before) or give him actual thoughtful gifts (like a watch that's not even properly sized. and if you've ever had a watch like that you know it takes barely a minute to do that) because he is, as that Rise Of The Guardians movie put it, "we're trying to save the world for the children! we don't have time for children!" he's trying to save Galar from coal so no one loses their parent, but can't be bothered to BE a parent himself.

meanwhile Peony goes all in on being a present and loving father. he refuses to prioritize anything over his kids. he's willing to quit even the best job if it could even remotely affect his kids. he doesn't have such lofty ambitions as Rose, but still wants to be the change he wants to see in the world, and that is taking care of the kids.

and both interact with us, and we see the differences again. Rose sees us as a useful and interesting tool that he may be able to use for his own gain. Bede is already in his pocket, so he's not really interested. but we're new, he still needs to see how capable we are

Penny referring to her father as overbearing and absolutely insufferable and protective and even over-involved could only describe Peony. if Rose had a bio daughter, she would have been treated the same as Bede, and she'd describe his as an absentee barely-deserving-the-name-of father. she'd have related to Arven over never seeing her parent/s, raised by a nanny, and having that void where her parental figure should be.

and as for skin tone, just look at any punnett square. we never see Rose and Peony's parents, they could have a light skinned parent just like Peonia does (in the back of Peony's card). when one mixed race parent gets with another mixed race parent, the kid has just as much chance to look mixed as they do to grab all the genes from one race or the other. there have been many secret revealed decades later for this very reason.

and as for why she's not mentioned (besides the obvious she's a retcon and didn't exist yet) she could have already been in Paldea at the time of SWSH. she had been in Paldea, formed team star, was sent back to Galar, and didn't return until SV started. why would she be mentioned in what was obviously meant as one-on-one daddy daughter time with Peonia? really, the only weird thing is that she never showed up in his card like Peonia did, but considering Peonia in the card is just a lil tater tot, Penny likely didn't exist yet and that card has been his card since Peonia was that old and was just never changed to include Penny.

but really, if Penny's father was going to be someone we knew and not just a faceless Galar NPC, it could only have been Peony. he is after all, *The Rose Without Thorns*

[Danni]

5:12 Just because Peony didn't mention him having a second Daughter doesn't technically mean he doesn't have a second daughter!
As far as I know! Peony never mentioned that he only has 1 child either! I think! 🤔

[BrandonJames]

I would’ve loved to have seen Peony show up in SV to be overbearing like the way he was in the crown tundra. At first I didn’t think they would be related just off physical appearances but there are plenty of child and parents who don’t have the same skin complexion as their parents. My aunt has a lighter complexion for a Mexican woman but her son is the darkest in my family due to his father while his brother has the same skin tone as my aunt. To think we have characters in SV being related to previously established characters we love to see it. I hope we get more kids from established characters it would be interesting.

[Hrfy]

Considering Rose turned himself in, I highly doubt Penny would be able to casually talk to him while he's in prison, or that it's been enough time to have complete his sentence. Maybe Penny had just started her suspension during the events of Sword and Shield, and to end it as a punishment her parents didn't let her go to the Crown Tundra (though it's equally possible she was vehemently against going to a frozen wilderness with lots of physical activity and little to no wifi)