Shelach: Feedback Loops in Kabbalah

The self-sabotage loops of the 10 spies -- "we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and so were we in their eyes" and the way out of it following Calev's example. Aligning your thinking and spiritual presence with the highest purpose through the master's teachings.

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After your Yael's question about the nephilim last night I went back to the sources and started to look into it. And lo and behold she was right! The nephilim were indeed Aza-el and Shamchazai from before the creation of man. They were the ones who argued ״מָה אֱנוֹשׁ כִּי תִזְכְּרֶנּוּ וּבֶן אָדָם כִּי תִפְקְדֶנּוּ״? "What is man worth that you should have him in mind?" This was actually the creation of man when Hashem said to the malachim (angels) נעשה אדם and that was their response.

The Gemara (Shabbat 88b) however, uses the same verse in the argument of the angels as to why the Torah should not be given to man prior to Mattan Torah.

בְּשָׁעָה שֶׁעָלָה מֹשֶׁה לַמָּרוֹם אָמְרוּ מַלְאֲכֵי הַשָּׁרֵת לִפְנֵי הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא: רִבּוֹנוֹ שֶׁל עוֹלָם, מַה לִּילוּד אִשָּׁה בֵּינֵינוּ? אָמַר לָהֶן: לְקַבֵּל תּוֹרָה בָּא. אָמְרוּ לְפָנָיו: חֶמְדָּה גְּנוּזָה שֶׁגְּנוּזָה לָךְ תְּשַׁע מֵאוֹת וְשִׁבְעִים וְאַרְבָּעָה דּוֹרוֹת קוֹדֶם שֶׁנִּבְרָא הָעוֹלָם, אַתָּה מְבַקֵּשׁ לִיתְּנָהּ לְבָשָׂר וָדָם? ״מָה אֱנוֹשׁ כִּי תִזְכְּרֶנּוּ וּבֶן אָדָם כִּי תִפְקְדֶנּוּ״

So I assumed that these were the same angels, which they weren't. Thank you Ya'el!