Lignitzer's First Play of the Buckler

[llanthdawg]

Very interesting interpretation of the old training manuals! Love the way y’all explain it.

[HistoryNeedsYou]

Well done for advising the audience to question both sources and interpretation.

[christianalbers]

Roland, you really do the best videos.
And they are getting better and better.
When you look back 20 years, so much has happened.
When i watch the videos i feel i have understood everything.
thanks for the great input and the big motivation.
greeting from ex hammaborg member Mark

[Ulf_Ulfurson]

I like this video very nice and it is an inspiration for me.

[ianalexander]

Awesome! Are you going to do all the plays?

[boring]

His stance and structure looks a lot like how they are in the illustrations.

[Louis-vpez]

Hey Roland, könntest du ein Video speziell über deinen Buckler machen? Wie er gebaut ist etc., habe mir überlegt, den selben/einen ähnlichen selbst zu bauen. Super Video! Weiter so!

[thrawn]

This is in fact almost the same as Ringecks Longsword, It almost looks like Liegnitz adapted the Longsword plays directly.

In Ringeck you even have a few more possible "paths" but the general idea is the same. You do one action and if your enemy counters you counter that (and so forth)
In Ringeck there are sometimes multiple almost equivalent options. The one you choose depends on the exact way the opponent acts, and the relative positions of you and the sword (oben abnehmen and unten?! abnehmen for example)

[dermachtigebar]

Ich bau mir deinen Buckler nach :) hab' n paar Infos eingeholt. Mal sehen ob's was wird. Super Video!

[kanubeenderman]

6:31 - important to keep feet moving and pivoting - you can't get caught flat footed, you have to keep moving due to the many many different counter moves and parries. When dealing with sharp blades you can't stand there and debate who has the center - no time for an 'oops' moment. Watch how kendo fighters move. Strike and move.

[rickjarmin]

How do we find the video of walking on the balls of one's feet?

[pizdamatii]

great work as always!
i have one question though: in the final part of the play, you say you do an 'ubersnappen', but to me it looks like you're just disengaging and doing a zwerch (at 4m58s)!? you even hit him from the left side. maybe i'm wrong, but my understanding is that a snappen just means that your sword snaps forward when you get to a certain position and clear your opponent's blade and his/her pressure suddenly disappears, no?

[Sfourtytwo]

Lignitzers first play [80r] Hie heben sich an die stuck mit dem pucklär Die maister Andre lignitzer gesatzt hat her nach geschriben

Das erst stuck mit dem pucklär aus dem oberhaw Merck wenn dw den oberhaw treibst zw dem mann So setz mit dem knopf dein swert Inwendig auf deinen pucklär zw deinem daumen vnd stich Im von vnden auf zu° seinem gesicht vnd wind gegen seinem swert und laß vber schnappen ~

So first it says cut not bind cautiously . Secondly it says that you should thrust from below so no winding in above. It is the same play as the first zornhau play in most Liechtenauer tradition books.

... haut er dir den von seiner rechten seiten oben ein zu dem kopff, so haw auch von deiner rechtenn von oben an alle versatzung mit im zorniglichen einn auf sein schwert, ist er dann waich am schwert, so scheus im den ort gericht fursich lanckh ein und stich im zu dem gesicht, oder der prust und setz im arm

[dayspking]

I got a message from you in my inbox Roland but I couldn't read it because our entire thread seems to have disappeared. It's even more of a shame as Protoguy's and Ian's responses which was also in my inbox has also disappeared.

[cloudcleaver]

It's hard to tell from the video, are you actually meeting the opposing sword edge-on-flat and then twisting to get the edge-on-edge bind?

[neilmcg]

Roland. Is this a fighting skill? Are there any competitive tournaments for this?

[secutorprimus]

From what you show of it, there never seems to be much cutting in sword and buckler.

[phanupongasvakiat]

Brilliant.It is about time Occidentals show Orientals that the former should not rush over and learn the latter's martial art before learning their own first.