Why Being Made in God's Image Makes No Sense

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[whade]

Atheists: Maybe it SAYS what it actually says
Believers: No no, the inerrant infallible final message of an omniscient creator can't possibly be literal

[james]

"We are not God's children. He is our child and he is a very, very bad boy." - Pat Condell

[awakeningtovacuity]

If we're created in the image of god, then he's just as deserving of hell as we are.

[BionicDance]

When I hear people like Billy Craig talk, it always sounds remarkably similar to sci-fi/fantasy geeks arguing the details of their favorite franchise.
As a sci-fi/fantasy geek, this amuses the hell out of me.

[ralphyetmore]

I'm incredibly jealous of Craig. He gets paid to look through a thesaurus and find the most obscure way to say the dumbest shit.

[deadweaselsteve]

"In some way." Those three words do so much work in theology, they should form a union.

[pandora]

"The Bible is completely and literally true."

"Except that bit. And this bit. And these bits. And..."

[eefaaf]

The problem is that Bill when he lists 'timeless, spaceless' always forgets to add 'senseless' to the attributes.

[MrMattSax]

Thank you, Doctor Craig, for keeping ancient mythological fables relevant today by adding your subjective, clearly invented interpretation of those ambiguous tales.

[MothIncarnate]

Don't forget that Jacob also wrestled with God who went for a reach around. That would also imply that God has a physical body and gropey hands as well

[fotnite_]

"We can be certain that this doesn't mean a physical image and likeness"

Growing up Mormon, that passage was literally used as evidence that God has a physical body that is human in appearance and likeness. But okay.

[I_Am_Monad]

Actually, Genesis DOES define what that means. Or, rather, the author himself, whom scholars call the "Priestly Source, " defines what "in his likeness" means. In chapter 5 of Genesis, the Priestly source says of Adam that he fathered a son "in his likeness, and called him Seth." "In his likeness" means just what it says; that is, looking the same as the one who fathered him. The words in Hebrew are the same in both texts, Genesis 1 and Genesis 5. Craig has so much to say about biblical subjects that he has no time to read the texts.

[CausalityLoop]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: a degree in Theology is as useful as a degree in Superman Lore.

Also, TheraminTrees video on this exact subject is fantastic too.

[darrylelam]

I'm so tried of 'the bible doesn't mean what the bible says' when the bible clearly says something wrong or against a christian's particular nutty belief. Yet is word for word correct on parts that they like.

[rojh]

WWC has spent so much of his life spinning nonsense, his face is stuck in permanent duper’s delight.

[reversefulfillment]

It's been a good scam for Willy. His reported net worth is $ 2 million. He hasn't yet sold his possessions and given them to the poor.

[GARYHODGKINSON]

I always wondered how people imagine God sitting on his throne if he is doing so without buttocks.

[I_Am_Monad]

One correction. Shamayim ALWAYS means sky. All uses of the word refer to what we today call the sky. What we today call the sky is what Shakespeare called the heavens. The plural word, "the upper places, " refers to at least three levels: the realm of birds and clouds and the Moon; the realm of the Sun and planets and stars, and the uppermost level, the level of God and his temple, or "the third heaven." As long as the sky was seen only with the naked eye, this division seemed like a no-brainer. Craig does not realize that his heavens and his universe and his timeless and spaceless deity are inventions of modern man and not represented or contemplated in any biblical text. The entire biblical world was for the ancients 8000 kilometers in diameter and fewer than 200 kilometers high. It is resting on a great salt deep and is bounded by an encircling saltwater river which the Greeks called Oceanos. That is, the entire UNIVERSE is what we today call Earth. (Planets are stars which appear to move in the second heaven, and not worlds like Earth. Because they move against the background of fixed stars, they are sometimes thought to be travelling around and between the heavenly layers and the land as "angels, " "watchers, " "gods, " or "principalities, " depending on the author.)

The heavens/skies were made on the second day. God calls the crystalline dome separating the sweet waters above and the salt waters below, the heavens. The earth/land was made (actually, more like "revealed") from its unorganized and unoccupied state on the third day, when dry land and its covering of plants came into being. "Earth" doesn't mean the planet, it means land--everything from a handful of soil to large regions or even continents. In Genesis 1, earth/land refers to the sum of regions which the Priestly Source will assign to different people groups in Genesis 10. All sizes of land are usually in the singular. On other days are created or ordered other things, which are not themselves the earth or the heavens. All of the aforementioned information is from the Hebrew text and later Hebrew texts which allude to or elaborate the Genesis 1 text. William Lane Craig has preserved much of his wordy career in video recordings, in which he proves that he is not competent to speak on Hebrew texts.

[InWhoseOpinion]

Sounds like Gen. 1 was composed my Bronze Age writers struggling to define God. They were the only beings on earth to create things so, the created God in their own image and likeness.

[iseriver]

'our beliefs are objectively silly, how can we resolve this in a society that doesnt believe in talking snakes?'
'lets just say all the silly stuff is metaphorical so we can still believe in it literally.'
'well thats just silly, its perfect.'
Christianity, the ultimate postmodernism.