Guido van Rossum on Python 4.0

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Guido van Rossum is the creator of Python programming language.

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[LexClips]

Guest bio: Guido van Rossum is the creator of Python programming language.

[gersonadr]

Halflife 3 will be coded in Python 4.0

[astropgn]

Python 3 is definitely way better than python 2 and a lot of its changes were necessary. I was lucky to start learning right after the transition so I decided to just focus my learning on python 3. It was difficult to get older scripts to run because every single print statement would be broken, but I didn't have to forget stuff and relearn it. But I feel bad for those with some years of experience python 2 having to rebuild a lot of things they knew

[nathanbanks]

I'd love to see a no-GIL mode. Mind you half the extension maintainers would still ignore the warning that it's coming for several years unless half their users are using the no-GIL version. There's a battery icon program I really liked, but I finally had to stop using it because it never made the transition to Python 3...

[SorFig]

Python 3.7 made me believe the change was worth it, before then it was chaos (understandable, under the circumstances. It wasn't perfect, but nothing is, and I think you did a good job. The additions were invaluable; love the asyncio library, it's made life worth living again). 3.9 was the real sweet spot, imo. Still waiting for a lot of libraries to properly support .10 and .11, but most of them are getting there now.

[davidwuhrer]

"Did you shed a tear?"
"No, we danced on its grave!"

[vectoralphaSec]

If there ever was a Python 4.0 ALL I want, the ONLY thing I want or care about is speed/ performance. I want to be able to write high performance Python code. However they can manage that, whatever they need to do to accomplish that, if they do that's what I would want.

[ButchCassidyAndSundanceKid]

They should bring in the Linq-like features in C# without any 3rd party packages in version 4.

[denisblack]

its ok, Swift 2.0 -> 3.0 broke every app written in Swift and created many many job openings cuz people just bailed and quit
it was ugly, but we managed

[revolutionarybroom]

Every time I come on this dudes video when he talks about programming, there's a hoard of javascript weirdos talking about how great js is.

[jorgealonsoortiz]

I love the guy… translated without nuances he says “if we had known that users were so idiot, we would have engaged in a different design strategy” 😅… by the way, never used 2 and find 3 very intuitive, coming from Fortran and Matlab

[tribaltalker]

I started learning python 2 about a year before python 3 came out, so for me it was an immediate upgrade. I didn't have a huge corporate codebase to update so I had very little to rewrite. I came from a FORTRAN/Assembly background and python is easily the nicest to use. However, I rarely develop systems with more than a couple of thousand lines of code.

[purewantfun]

If they ever make python 4.0, I wish they'd at least turn the match statement into an expression with a return value like in scala... right now its only use is branching with pattern matching, but that renders the whole construct entirely useless in a functional style codebase...

[joachim]

Let‘s do Python 4 and break again the compatibility! 🎊🎉

[delturge]

I picked up python 2.6 in 2010 and made the transition to 3.6 in about 2015. PHP must have seen what happened with Python and decided against implementing fully integrated unicode.

[ryankhart]

The transition from Python 2 to Python 3 seems like a special case. I can't recall any other version jump like that in any other programming language. I mean, C++ names their versions by whatever year it came out. For example, the current C++ version is C++23 for 2023. So by those standards, there's no reason why there ever needs to be a Python 4 because naming it as such will only bring back all the negative memories of the transition from Python 2 to 3.

[bonquaviusdingle]

Removing the GIL and still having the core API stay the same is probably the only thing that would justify a 4.0 release

[VilasNil]

Python 3.10 has broken all the type hinting in the program I develop at work, so Python isn't really against breaking changes. There can be a Python 4.0 if they think it will help the language with new features that can't be implemented otherwise

[DM-eozw]

Why did you scrub your interview of William MacAskill Effective Altruism (episode 84) from everywhere??

[nickeldan]

Some monsters still use Python 2 in production code.