FSI-012-B Zoom Discussion, Faith, Atonement, Sin, Conversion, Repentance

FSI-012-B - This discussion covers the previous Sunday presentation on Acts 3:19-21 covering topics including atonement and genuine faith, repentance and conversion. The participants generated key insights that are easily overlooked.

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[cbradwilson]

1:00:09 this is where I am currently. Relinquished certainty of what I thought I knew, and now trying to find my way. Thanks for your work!

[awakeandfearless]

Yes remission and redemption are two very different things

[kevinramsey]

Kev I appreciate your insight and decernment

[awakeandfearless]

Kevin you’re onto something when you speak about the pineal gland... it’s like blasphemy to most Christians lol but as a former new ager I’ve researched a LOT about the pineal gland and it’s relation to so many other religious ideologies...

There’s something there for sure... just not a lot of info coming from a Christian perspective..

One of these days hubby and I will join your zoom calls!!! Our schedules are just INSANE

[awakeandfearless]

Good point about not drinking blood!! I believe that was intentionally foreseen by God and as a warning and as a safe guard against these cults who prologate the “Eucharist”

[awakeandfearless]

Convert ... what immediately comes to mind is that conversion happens in the mind... according to scripture, conversion begins with a thought that is conceived, like the new birth that is conceived in the mind:

James 1:15

Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.


Being born again has to begin with the renewing of the mind. People try to take it a step further and claim it’s a renewing of your “actions” or “turning from sin”...which according to our logic SHOULD follow, but not always.

Hubby and I are relationship coaches and did a session recently (at a marriage summit) specifically focusing on how marriage and the gospel are correlated. There’s a pattern, and also, how the gospel is about BELIEF/TRUST/LOVE . We love our spouse because we WANT to. We choose to put our TRUST in them. We don’t do good things because we HAVE to, but because we WANT to.

Next step: just as sanctification is a process, so is marriage. We walk in the spirit as we renew our minds. When our mind is renewed, we begin to walk accordingly. But it’s not instant and requires work.

Salvation is INSTANT when we believe. IF we allow our mind to continually be renewed, then we walk in that renewed state... it’s not an absolute, it doesn’t always happen and doesn’t happen at the same rate for everyone.

Hope this wasn’t convoluting and made sense lol!

[ricardiotakei]

Perhaps, in the discussion on faith in Heb. 11, some focus should also be given on v. 6. It appears to me as general description of faith. In each context where faith is portrayed or talked about, maybe it is important to identify first the object of faith (i.e., God and who He is, and His promise/reward). For instance, the object of faith in v. 8 is the place Abraham should receive as an inheritance. So that was the reward that he believed in, and that prompted him to do a specific action--he went to that place and sojourned there (perhaps, the work that evidenced his faith?). In the context of saving faith, isn't it that its object includes Jesus Christ (and who He is) and the eternal life that he brings as a result of his work (the reward). So what kind of commitment in love is required of us when talking about saving faith? What action/work would necessarily evidence or prove such faith? For me, what saving faith should necessarily produce from us is assurance.

[billburkey]

Covert...mind from flesh into spirit??

[Scrufboy]

Roberta, we don't assume that it was vegetables that Cain offered. Genesis 4:3 literally states that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. Genesis 4:4 explicitly contrasts this by not merely saying that Abel brought animals... He brought the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof.

I am astounded that you weren't corrected on the spot.

There are extrabiblical books that cover this subject. The Book of Adam and Eve goes into great detail of the goings on in their lives after removal from the Garden. It tells a thorough account of the events leading to Cain Killing Abel. Too much detail to include here. I'm not validating the text per se... But it is worth looking into what is often called the Apocryphal books of Moses.

But in accordance with scripture - Abel presented God with the finest first fruits of his labor. Fully prepared. Cain brought simple fruit of the ground. He didn't ask Abel for any kind of trade so that he too could present something of substance. Cain showed he wasn't willing to offer the best that he could and Abel did. This was viewed as an act of love and devotion. Cain showed very little faith in regards to this. Very little love toward God. Both Abel and Cain must have been accustomed to this practice of sacrifice. Adam and Eve had to have been making offerings. See the Book of Adam & Eve or also called "The Book of the Cave of Treasures"

Genesis 4:7 is a pretty deep statement from God in regards to this....

One might argue that Cain's attitude is nearly of unbelief. God says to him... If you doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. Or more succinctly - If you do not do well, sin lies at the door waiting to rule you, But you must rule over it. Cain's heart wasn't into it. It appears that Cain didn't really want to offer the best of what he could. Whereas Abel chose to give those prize firstlings... When confronted by God, Cain did not repent and did not attempt to get right with God. See more in those extrabiblical texts. They aren't canon but they are knowledge that is important to have. Just like Jasher, Jubilees, Enoch, etc