Has Forsburn Lost His Identity? April Nolt Board Overview

This video has a lot of interesting and nuanced topics in it about character design! Let me know what you think about the nolt posts, or link your own down below. Be sure to stay respectful to both the devs and commentators, truthfully I was on the fence about posting this one, since while I do think the discussion is interesting, I also don’t want to feed into the negativity that surrounds the game (or comp games in general) let me know what yall think and thanks for watching ❤️

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0:00-7:40 Dev Responses
7:41-13:13 Forsburns Identity
13:14-14:21 Visual Guides
14:22-14:58 Ranked Board
14:59-15:58 Patch Notes
15:59-25:08 Orcanes Identity
25:09-29:17 Fun Changes

[laststock]

Just to clarify since I don’t mention this in the video, I don’t think orcane or fors are unbalanced in their current state, I think they’re both in pretty solid places, just that their kits are lacking diversity (within the kit itself not compared to the cast)! Super curious to see how the devs handle them moving forwards!

[testpermanent]

As a middle ladder Fors player I do agree with the Forsburn identity take. I think clone is often less useful then just spacing with disjoints although I do think I can use it to mix up landings and recoveries fairly often

[FlameEcho]

Yeah the Fors situation is rough where there certainly are plenty of players that love his current combo fiend with disjoints playstyle, but they've really demphasized his unique qualities and tools.

I don't really have the experience to comment on Orcane but his current state definitely feels so awkward trying to pick him up. It's weird to see top players completely ignore so much of the kit too.

[sterlander]

3:01 Elu Tran? damn, isn't that the guy who did the first round of uploads of Undertale extended osts when it first came out? wild to see them (and even wilder that i somehow remember them!)

[Pheentrashcan]

Good stuff, I feel for the fors and orcane mains. I love this game so much but this highlights that it definitely has some flaws. I truly hope that those 2 can get their defining traits back and get to use more of their kit in expressive ways

(Psst, I love your nolt videos, they were a great idea- and from one artist to another, you’re popping off with the thumbnails, keep up the excellent work!)

[kenny]

Ain't it crazy that some of the aether champions are naked and some are clothed kragg be letting it hang

[Evilmilliaguy]

I feel bad for yall orcane players I did not realize how bad he feels to main

I love forsburn and I would like to see smoke and clone more emphasized, I wouldn’t mind seeing some nerfs to his normals to compensate for that. I say nerf neutral application to a couple Moves like bair, dtilt, jab, even fair or dair

Also fix forsburns moves please my clone is tweaking and my moves don’t connect properly

Love this game hope to see it grow

[FabschOblivion]

7:04

I've been telling myself that for 2 months more or less. Maybe the devs will actually get to it since they seem to like Olympia more than Etalus.

[MangoQuackers]

Definitely agree with the orcane points. I had no idea that he doesn't have a solo main on the beta team. I really miss being able to use all his moves in fun ways like before the huge nerfs to him. I'be all but fully dropped him even though he is 100% my favorite character because of his disconnected and unfocused balance direction. Really good they show him some real love soon!

[crazednarwhal]

Great video!

I definitely agree about Forsburn, Orcane too. Ranno does most of what Orcane does but even better.

[sterlander]

Orcane is teetering on levels of "fundamentally flawed" that do make me scared for him. I have a hard time picturing what kind of buffs they could give to his specials that wouldn't just be giving them entirely new functions or abilities. I play a ton of him and the most fun I have with Orcane is his aerial and stage movement, and I just can't picture a change to his specials that would compliment that aspect of his kit that I enjoy the most.

[RealTone]

I main Orcane and the experience ive had is that the things that make characters fun is not what makes them good I think half the characters in this game need a shift in where their power is located. (Excluding Lox/Zetter/Olympia/Maypul) Im honestly just waiting for Slade so I can drop this

[Jankyo]

Poor orcane, I love his design second to none but I hard agree with the points made. He is easily my least favorite character to play. So odd and half of his moves feel useless.

[deathwish-glbc]

I agree with fors losing some identity in 1 smoke was a very good set up to have bc not only could you use it in neutral without being put in disadvantage from lag but the way the camera worked in 1 made it so you could effectivley hide and play in your smoke netting you advatange from unpredictable angles so its sad to see and use smoke only soley to recover in 2 which sometimes is very much necessarily needed to recover from being low bc his up b can be exploited if he dosent snap from ledge which he can only do when he is above ledge that being said not only dose he take forever to smoke the stage and barley hide in it but they still made it so you can swat the smoke away easily which im fine with if you wouldnt be put in such an awkwardly position just trying to get smoke on stage the nerf to side b makes recovery a lot more awkard as well with the very long cool down but using clone in nuetral so far for me has been fine you just have to think where you need to use clone a bit more and the combos you can net from people who dont floorhug the clone is very good but the autofloorhug to some of his moves literally make it so you pivot to like they said in the video just use his A button in neutral bc its the most safe and effective in neutral overal ill always play fors hes my fav but i do miss some aspects that ge had in 1

[GMEhnc]

i main orcane and secondary forsburn and i think both of the chars' respective posts make super great points. i haven't particularly minded having the two chars' designs focused a lot on strong normals rather than niche specials, but there is definitely so much potential for cooler character expression.

[infernate]

It’s sad cause Orcane was my secondary and he got nerfed early on and I quit playing him entirely. Then forsburn got gutted and I ended up quitting the game entirely. He’s basically SSBU Pit with better physics at this point. Give my boy back to me

[bobbill]

Yea this is void’s biggest complaint and the reason he won’t play this game anymore. Forsburn is his favorite character and he doesn’t like the direction they went with him.

[blaziken]

Idk about forsburn because I don't play him (I like the fsmash nerf though, it was really hard to floor hig it for some reason) but I do play orcane a lot, and I don't really feel like he lost his identity at all. I think his hydroplaning is really strong and can potentially cover every tech roll option. He can also mix up his down smash and grab as his approach option with hydroplaning as well. Recently they buffed his empowered smash moves, and his side b buff was nice as well. They also rebuffed some of the water moves as well. He feels like a good mix of trapping and extremely good movement right now; not too projectile oriented like at launch, and not too nair - happy like at the start of 2025. If they give him some more fun tools though, I wouldn't be opposed, as long as he isn't too campy.

[humble_ape]

I main Forsburn and while I'd love to see smoke and clone buffed a little bit, I don't want it at the expense of his normals. Like it or not, normals are what every character is going to be using 80% of the time. The same is true for Forsburn. His combo game is fun as fuck right now and I think camping in smoke and spamming clone to just do 40% on an opening would be boring as fuck.

[stellice_here]

Not entirely sure what a crew is but from the way you put it it sounds cool to have!