Re/thinking Religion (Ep. 6: Language, Embodiment & Magic in the Religion that is Not a Religion)

In Re/thinking Religion, a new Integral Stage series, John Vervaeke joins Bruce Alderman and Layman Pascal to explore possible points of contact and confluence between their respective approaches to religion and spirituality. For the sixth episode, they reflect on the "dark," participatory dimensions of language; the intersections of Bohm's rheomode ("flowing language") and rheosoma ("flowing body") practices in relationship to John's recursive relevance realization and his work on dialectic into dialogos; the tyranny of the propositional and the function of the occult within religious cultures; the need for the religion that is not a religion to focus on addressing our global crises, without falling into instrumentalism; and much more.

John Vervaeke is a cognitive scientist, a professor of psychology at Toronto University, and the creator of the popular YouTube series, "Awakening from the Meaning Crisis."

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Layman's "Nonduality in the Network Age" course:

"Awakening from the Meaning Crisis" Playlist:

Voices with Vervaeke: Metamodern Wisdom about Religion with Layman Pascal:

Vervaeke and Hall Begin to Design the Religion That is Not a Religion:

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[lizellevanwyk]

❤ this conversation! Thank you for sharing!

[williamjmccartan]

Thank you John, Bruce, and Layman for sharing the evolution of your experiences and work.

[missh]

I think this was Master Class material. Whoosh 🛫🙇...

[crakhaed]

This was a wild experience. Startling to see these connections being made and hear the articulation of something very profound. Thank you all.

I have had experiences of losing the process that brought me to my powerful momentary insights because I became distracted by the beauty or humor or significance of the words themselves, and of course, this caused me to completely forget what led up to them.

A fragmented, discontinuous sense of self that only grasps its wholeness in brief, ever-vanishing flashes that disappear from time and memory, only to rediscover itself again and again.

[matthewsmi]

"The tyranny of the propositional" (JV). That's a powerful phrase.

[Mystery_G]

So much continued love to you three for this series; it remains for me the most valuable dialogue going on.

With regard to the final concern pertaining to domicide, I've been wondering what it would take to implement the varieties of courses, gatherings, festivals? (e.g. something similar to Kumba Mela or Mecca) that align with the value of religio praxis and not require, or at least highly limit financial cost of attendance among participants. I say this primarily because of my understanding of how so many religious festivals, pilgrimages, gatherings, and religio aligned educational institutions in the past appear to have succeeded in their spread because of their capacity to reach out and provide inclusivity to an underclass of those economically hindered who lack an easy means to pay for transportation, admission, lodging, and food.

[matthewsmi]

Mindfulness as accepting what the corporate world will inflict. That's the most political I've ever heard JV be. :-)

[jenniferbaird]

Have just listened to Bruce’s intro. Deep and rich. I couldn’t help but notice how the image behind him was enchanting me and adding to the meaning of the words!🤩. I’m really looking forward to listening the rest of this episode later. Thank you guys 🙏

[TheCoyotemonster]

RE: Reading Left to Right; I had a "manic episode" in the '90s where I wrote out my thoughts right to left, both in sentences and words, as well as in drawings and writing around the border of the page. A document of disordered thinking! but perhaps also showing the right brain coming to the fore...

[jacob_massengale]

1:06:00 I think this paradox of avoiding instrumentalism and saving the planet can be resolved, but we have to embrace instrumentalism in a compartmentalized way. We must save the planet through instruments. However, it was our lack of ecology of practice that led to our destroying it in the first place. We cultivate the ecology of practices to get to the root of the problem, so to speak. We do it for its own sake, for wholeness, and to avoid non linier negative consequences of all kinds, one of which is destroying the planet.

[Frankfin]

Once we learn how to bring 'stick-aparts' together, (those whose level of being embody abundance), we will have the right people, at the right time, in the right place. Those individuals can then lead the way in creating the future. (See the late Don Beck's tongue-in-cheek essay 'Independence Day + 1')
We all need a Game Worth Playing.

[tara_artist]

maybe we just live in a perpetual state of "Grieving the death of God"

[SpruceGumRules]

I sent in a couple on-line contacts asking about accommodations for Thunder Bay but no reply? How can I contact?

[jonn_esternon]

1:04:49
what John says there converges with what I'm reading right now in
Plato's Critique of Impure Reason by D.C. Schindler...

The Good must both be 'intrinsically good' and 'instrumentally good'.
Good in-itself, and also good for-something.