The RULING That CANNOT Be Answered!

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Music from Crypt of the NecroDancer soundtrack & Lakey Inspired
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Video Edited By: HeyBudLetsPlay
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#YuGiOh #Ruling #TCG

[SkyFireYZ]

I think that if guardian chimera is played by the enemy it should be negated and if it is played by me it should not be negated

[therranolleo]

on today's episode of Learning with Coder, I learned that ED monsters has amnesia about their birth info when they're put to sleep by a night story and then woken up again the next turn

[movelea]

So glad that yugioh rulings are so convoluted even pro judges can't reach a consensus. How is there not a standard PSCT format for whether an effect checks on activation or resolution?

[Hyparbeem]

The concept of monsters "forgetting" any extra properties provided by exterior effects is really interesting. But it's too bad that it's extremely unintuitive by the way the game is designed...

[rdmages]

Watching a Coder vid feels like a time chamber lmao. It felt like I'd been watching for like 5 minutes and it had only been 2: He gets so much information across in so little time. It's great

[sakhmahdiqjr]

Simply have polymerization in the gy and you wont have to worry about your opponent targeting your guardian chimera with book of moon

[randomprotag]

i really feel for yugioh judges when there is not an tcg ruling data base or preemptive rulings

[Merdra]

But isn't the core diffrence between Frightfur wolf and the other examples that FW is Continous whilst the other cards are trigger effects. With the infernoid fusion we can see that it checks at the activation what was used for fusion summon. So shouldnt we also apply this to our ruling issue? We would need a presedence where a card checks it's materials properties and is activated.

[LordEgilYGO]

The Frightfur Wolf example actually translates perfectly, I believe. It would make sense to check on resolution because Guardian Chimera has multiple effects furing that check, and so forgetting the number of materials means that it has to resolve without effect, since it can't remember if it had any materials, so it can't locate them. That's just my interpretation, though.

[TheExFloridaMan]

Considering the effect activated while the monster was face up it should resolve. Its not possible for the number/orientation of the materials to change so at activation it is known what the numbers are, so it should resolve.

[dudeguy]

It's interesting and confusing, the differences between what's forgotten when a card is flipped facedown, versus when it leaves the field. I suppose it helps balance keeping the monster on the field over simply removing it, but it's definitely not intuitive. Thanks for the deep dive

[donellebullock]

Simple. If flipped face-down effect is chained to the effect, it resolves, and doesn't if chained to the summon itself. As at the time of activation, which monster only care about, the card was face-up. It's no different than sending some monsters to the GY to activate their effects only to banish them as cost on a quick effect, or the effect itself.

[monkkey]

I read it as game state. Since its chained to Chim, and its chainlink2. Since it resolves, flips chi down, then goes to chain link 1. Since face down cards forget everything used in the fusion, the ":" in the text would activate, then since it forgets the monsters used, that would stop the effect.

[Dannysapphire]

Was very unsure til you the Frightfur example was brought up. Now I heavily lean towards Chimera forgetting. Very good straight to the point video.

[YohananYGO]

I think it shouldn't stop chimera, it is still the effect of the card that *was* face up .

[CNEproductionsMS]

I'd think the effect would still go off. In the frightful example the card forgets its material because when it's flipped face up its been flip summoned not fusion summoned. In the chimera case it would have to somehow be flip summoned after book of moon resolves in the chain to forget its materials, which you know if someone can actually pull that off well done. It's the flip summoning that makes it forget so unless it is flip summoned after being flipped face down the effect still happens.

[sparkysummons]

When cards check a condition for an effect is something that has always been confusing. I'm sure there are other small interactions that happen all the time. It would be cool to get a more in depth video about some of these rulings. Most of us have read the rulebook, but the rulebook we've read was probably the one that comes in a structure deck. I'm kinda curious to see where you go to see all these way more advanced mechanics. It'd be useful for us competitive players too, instead of just hearing about rulings or encountering them in playtesting. If you can delve into the game mechanics, you can start to make more informed and solid game plans.

[OTSCasper]

i think Chimera would still resolve since once it hits the field the effect triggers and its not a continuous effect like frightfur wolf.

[Keirandal_Chikage]

Definitely would rule it as that yes while the chimera summoned forgets its properties, the chimera that activated its effect (because monsters once flipped facedown are seperate monsters being private knowledge now) did have its fusion material

[memegod]

Since the optional trigger effect activated upon summon, its fusion materials are immediately known. That's why Tierra resolves correctly (or rather as much as possible) which also included book of moon for its ruling along with compulsory. A number of other trigger effect cards act in the same way, similar to all the newer monarchs that gain additional effects based on the attributes of the monsters tributed. Monsters that don't have trigger effects upon certain conditions being met like dragoons or frightfur wolf will lose their abilities since, once they're book'd, will only retain that they were special summoned and all other info is "lost."