A Tip NO ONE KNOWS Until Now

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In this video I will be showing you a tip on a klein circuit finder the et450 that no one knows. I stumbled upon this by accident and it has completely changed my circuit finding abilities. I want you to stay tuned because I will show you how to find a circuit in a panel jus the same way using this same method.

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I just got my electricians diploma and I still have a lots of things to learn and I'm thinking about getting a good circuit finder as well as cable tracer and this trick is indeed very helpful. I think the most important thing is this and pretty much any other job is to learn how to think and find solutions to your daily problems and once you know more about what you're doing, you can be amazed of what kinds of things you can think of.

Foxtrot-jrqu
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Thank you for sharing this. I was working on a restaurant kitchen hood exhaust fan which had a bunch of issues, one of them being that the fan was on a circuit that had some shorts inside the wire. I was trying to pinpoint which wires went to exactly which breaker, so I could find and fix stuff. Using Klein's cheaper circuit tracer, the ET310, I ended up thinking that things went to one breaker, but in fact went to a different breaker. Of course, there were a lot of breakers that were not accurately labeled, so it took me so much time to trace the circuit to the right breaker. I jumped on Home Depot to seek out a better tracer, and started looking closely at the ET450 kit. I came across your video when looking up what other people thought about the tester, and glad I came across this video. If I had only had the ET450 and watched this video before doing that restaurant, it would have saved me so many hours and frustration. Thank you very much for sharing this, God bless you!

wlongmore
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Commercial electrician in the US. I’ve been using that trick on dead wires for years it’s fantastic. Another trick for hot wires is to plug in a vacuum and have a guy turn it on and off while you measure currant with your clamp at the panel you’ll see it plain as day on the correct conductor. I use this method in places like medical suites or where people are using computers so accidentally turning off the wrong breaker can’t happen. I usually use my PVC blanket instead of a vacuum as it’s quiet but I know not anyone has one of those or even knows what it is.

hirprimate
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A trick I learned from a telco guy. Put your meter directly on the leads of the tracer and measure its resistance. Make a note of your reading. When you are at the other end of your wires, measure again. Hopefully, your meter can "see" the tracer unit and the values should be nearly identical. Note, if you have other things plugged in, you might also see their electronics too and that could cause a bit of confusion.

dmkaeding
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THANK YOU so Your tip was on point and the greatest discovery to date for me!!!! This tactic is 100% accurate and extremely useful. I’m self taught and unless you have schematics, color codes… You will simply be in a guessing game. I was just about to throw in the towel and your tip was there to save the day!!!!

rolandos
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I’ve used a phone toner for years to trace wires on fire alarm systems. Same principle! It’s great

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👍Great idea! I've learned using the ET450 that we can isolate non-energized wires rather rapidly by "dialing in" at a level three or four, but wire-to-receiver position is even more important. Dialing in: Start at a lower level and then work your way up with longer runs of non-energized wire. By "dialing in" most know about this. If not, I'm talking about establishing a receiver level where there is a "numerically distiguishable difference" in the levels between wires that are actually carrying the signal (the wires you want) and wires that are only crosstalking the signal, i.e. reading a distinguishable low level (not the wires you want). Position: We can position the Klein receiver most accurately by orienting the receiver tip correctly on the wire. When we literally "touch" the wire with the tracer receiver at 90 degrees to the screen (the wire pointing vertically to the screen off the tip). Orienting the tip sensor this way makes it work very reliably. When putting a wire at 90 degrees on the tip of the tracer receiver, a significantly lower number is a cue that that wire is not your transmitting wire (it's just crosstalk). For example, with one wire I could see a reading of 11 and for another wire 68 (the difference / variance is what you're looking for). When you're dialed in, and at the right receiving angle, you'll get that type of difference (Note: Your numbers can be different obviously). With 68 and 11 being the readings for two separate wires, guess which wire is on the alligator clip? That's how you do it. Just ensure you're separating that bundle of wires enough to touch one wire to the tip of the receiver at 90 degrees orientation to the screen. Additionally, this 90 degree method works with walls also (the main reason for the tracer). Always trace at 90 degrees orientation to the wire you suspect you're tracing. That's how that electrical field works at the tip of the ET450 tracer.

takeniteasyfriend
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Electrician 26 years and I knew that, but you can also turn the sensitivity down as you get closer to the wire or breaker so it will only tone on the exact wire or breaker and the higher the number on the readout indicates when you're on it. So just learn your tool as you said. 👍

danielldecamp
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That is a really slick tip! Thank you for the info. I just purchased the Klein advanced tracer kit to find out where a wire goes. I thought it ran straight up the wall bay to the attic and over to the panel, nope. I only found this out after falling through the ceiling and twisting my knee. I should have just ponied up the money for the tracer and this would have been so much easier.

chrisdaniel
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Really appreciate you teaching wisdom. Thanks

mmartinez
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Wow! Cant believe i never thought to try this before! Definitely saving this for future use

toddlaplanteVT
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Nice find! Do you know if the Santronics NCV will work on the less-featured Klein VDV500 tracer that I use? I tried this technique with my Fluke NCV (12-1000v model)and did not pick up anything. It may be the case that the et450 has a higher power output than the VDV500. Thanks.

michaelmasztal
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Amazing!!! Thank you for this tip. I just bought this device and learning about it

tapoutrobby
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Many thanks. I tried to trace my sister's wiring, and it's a nightmare. With the Klein and tick tool, it will help a lot

MrTrD
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Thank you, this is really a great tip. I wish I have known it before.

lexuannhi
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Wow, after the drywall I wasn't always sure what wire it was. This is what I need.😊

mikeanderson
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Can u make a video on how to find the circuit breaker that controls a light switch that needs to be changed

TacoDaddy-mrig
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I do refrigeration and often have to shut down a circuit in the middle of lunch rush. So anything like that helps out

Nicholas-imbd
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I'm assuming this works because the circuit finder is sending voltage through the wires and the tic tracer is picking up the voltage? I don't have the circuit finder so I'm just speculating.

mpd_l_r
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Would this allow you to find a loose neutral

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