The rapture and Christ's return are not the same, WHAT?

Many people can get a little confused about end-times theology (eschatology). Yes, there are some different ways to interpret the text, but two events that tend to get a little confusing for some are the rapture and Christ’s return. Pastor Jack Hibbs does a great job explaining the two – check it out!

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[Never-EndingLight]

Please pray for my friend Kristel, she is depressed and doesn't know God. Pray that God would open her mind and heart to the truth which is in Jesus Christ and destroy satan's lies and works in her life.

[speaktruth]

Whether it's pre trib or post trib doesn't matter. We're supposed to be ready at all times.

[millenialfalcon]

Regarding the Rapture, I am "cautiously optimistic". I am preparing for a Mid- or Post-Trib Pre-Wrath but praying and hoping for a Pre-Trib

[IMScaredBRUH]

I believe we should be ready to go through the tribulation because if we do we will need God’s strength to make it through and potentially die for Him 🙏🏼

[SamWayne]

Dispensationalism is the only way to interpret the Bible without contradictions. The biggest reason for confusion among Christendom is not applying whats said, to whom it was said, in what time frame it was said. 2 Tim 2:15. Study, therefore rightly divide. All the Bible was written for us, not all was written directly to us.

[alfabet]

I can’t believe so many people reject this!! Maranatha ✋🏼🤚🏼

[notNicholasCage]

All I can think about when I hear about people explaining their interpretations of pre-trib raptures is that there will be a great falling away, the great apostasy. Why would the Christians who are expecting to endure terrible things and aren't expecting a pre-trib rapture have such a falling away? Christianity has thrived on persecution, it got its start under persecution.

Sadly, I believe the great falling away, the great apostasy will occur from these people who have such a hope and faith in a pre-trib rapture, that when we have to endure such terrible things, they will abandon their faith as Christ didn't come to rescue them as they had heard over and over.

A pre-trib rapture would be nice, but I simply don't believe it. You must be ready to endure, it is repeated over and over in the scriptures.

[lulujordaan]

During the Rapture Jesus us coming FOR the saints. During the second coming Christ is coming WITH the saints.

[salishawheeler]

I agree with this man. When I share the rapture, I mention this too about Rev 6 - 19. The Bible teaches the rapture and the church does not go through tribulations. We are not appointed wrath but to obtain salvation with our LORD Jesus Christ.

[civilization]

In the Revelation passage Jack references, John asks the angel "Who are these clothed in white". The angel replied "These are those WHO ARE COMING OUT OF THE TRIBULATION".
Coming out! But death. "And they overcame the beast because they didn't love their lives even unto death."
How could this be possible if they were raptured out before the tribulation began?

[chrissymayes]

Hey Frank, I know we’re not appointed to God’s wrath and I leaned toward the pre-trib rapture, but it always bugged me that Mt24:15, 2 Thes 2:1-4 states that that day shall not come until the Antichrist is revealed. Also Re 7:9-17 the multitude seems to be the church once the 6th seal is broken. I know you probably get alot questions hope to hear your view on this!

[ayahsha]

so glad to see ppl talking about this!

[revelation]

I must add, Zechariah 14

the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You."
Zechariah 14:5 NKJV

An exact parallel..

[noseal]

This is why I don't believe ...
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 says that all are changed in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trumpet. 1 Corinthians 15:55 thus will fulfill the saying O death where is thy sting? etc. Paul is quoting Hosea 13:14 (It's exact in the Greek Septuagint) It's about Israel's resurrection. So what Paul is doing is telling Christians (who were gentiles (Corinthians)) That they and Israel would be resurrected at the same time. (NOT at different times)

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Why in 2 Thessalonians 2 would Paul tell the Thessalonians (who are gentiles) that THEY would be seeing the man of sin? It says when YOU see the man of sin. (the same thing that Christ Jesus told the disciples (Matthew 24:15)) If the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is correct, the Thessalonians (being formerly gentles, and members of the Church) would be gone three years before the man of sin is revealed. Making Paul tell them something that shouldn't matter to them, and that doesn't make sense.

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Paul says that Christ does not come to us as a thief in the night (but in light). 1 Thessalonians 5:4 "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." (Only those who abide in darkness will be overtaken like as if by a thief.) As Jesus said in Matthew 24, and Luke 21 Blessed is the man found working when I return (NOT the man asleep, and drunk). (Paul makes it clear Christ Jesus only comes as a thief to those drunk, and asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4 has no time indication that implies pre-tribulation rapture. Though It is connected to scripture that implies otherwise. Pauls says with the shout of the archangel He knew this from Daniel 12 when Michael stands up Paul also says that Christ Jesus brings the dead with him when he returns Daniel 12 says that Daniel will stand at the END OF DAYS (when ALL his prophecies are fulfilled)

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Warning us of false christ's in the end times close to his return (Matthew 24) Christ Jesus said that he has told us all things. The doctrine of pre-tribulation rapture makes Jesus out to be a lair! Teaching that Paul taught a new mystery about the return of Christ, when Christ said that he had already told us all things. The mystery in 1 Corinthians 15 wasn't new information, but was a mystery in that THEY did not know that the people who are alive at the end will also be changed at his coming, like the dead. This was not something that was new to people familiar with scripture, but was only new information to these people at Corinth, being ignorant of verses like Zechariah 14:12, 1 John 3:2, Philippians 3:21, Isaiah 65:17, and Job 19:26 ("yet in my flesh" would be better translated as "out of my flesh", "without my flesh", or "away from my flesh.") also Paul had just prepped them about it in 1 Corinthians 15:50 It's worth noting that Paul says to them I SHOW YOU a mystery, not THE LORD SHOWS YOU a mystery (because YHVH had already shown people this through his word) Also Paul says I show YOU, not I show ALL people. (all people have already been made privy to this information through the rest of scripture, the scriptures that the people of Corinth were unaware of, making it necessary for Paul to teach by showing what was a mystery to THEM.

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The great falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2 (Greek apostasy - to leave the truth) Can only be committed by Christians, for Christians are the only ones with truth. Everyone else already worships Satan through false religions and idols. They can't fall away from the truth because they don't have any truth to fall away from. Apostasy is the giving up of ones faith. Faith is the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1) again Faith is the evidence of things NOT seen. If this doctrine is correct, and a pre-tribulation rapture takes place. The people left on earth who believe in Jesus after his rapture, would not be believing in faith, for they have seen the rapture, they would be believing because they have seen, which is not faith. This makes it impossible for them to commit apostasy, because you need faith to commit apostasy. You can only have faith if you haven't seen. They only have belief through seeing, and not belief through faith. John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" Again people who believe in Jesus after the rapture cannot commit the great apostasy, You need to have belief through faith to commit apostasy, not belief because you have seen. That would only leave the Elect (since the church has been raptured in this doctrine) to commit the great apostasy, which they will never do. (Matthew 24:22) This is why there has to be non-elect members of the church (who already have faith without seeing) to be on earth during the tribulation. Because they are the only ones who can commit apostasy. Not the Elect, Not people who believe after the rapture, But real Christians, with faith, going through the tribulation. (the churches in Revelations who Christ Jesus warns to stay loyal to the end.)

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P.S. the ones kept from the hour of temptation (the elect), have the seal of God, causing them to not find the temptation tempting, but to be an abomination. John 17:15 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

... In my father's house are many mansions and where I go I prepare a place for you and where I am you will be is not about rapture, Ephesians 2 says we abode already there because we are in him. Ephesians 2:6 "and God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the Heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, "
... 2:19-22 "Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy Temple in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.

... 2 Thessalonians 2
Our gathering up with Christ will not be until there be a falling away first (the great apostasy of the church), and that the man of sin will sit in the place he ought not, claiming to be God. And Christ Jesus will destroy him at his coming.

Revelation 2:10-11
"Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

(Delivered to "death", the son of perdition, another name for Satan,
Apollyon/Abaddon, all these mean death basically, it's his name.)

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The positive side of this is that the mark of the beast is not the unpardonable sin, and those who commit apostasy have opportunity to repent,

The Holy Spirit witnesses through the elect,

People who hear can repent, and be saved, coming out of great tribulation.

Revelation 7:14, (22:14)
"... These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

People with the mark will receive wrath.

Just as thieves do not inherit the Kingdom.

But at no point does it say that God takes away His grace during the tribulation.

If they repent, their sin is blotted out,
Making them white as snow, never having taken the mark.

The thief is no longer a thief
and David is no longer a murderer for what happened to Uriah the Hittite.





The Church of Philadelphia is kept from the hour of temptation (not tribulation)

Like Daniel's three friends
They were kept from being burned (temptation)

But not kept out of the furnace (tribulation)

2 Peter 2:9
"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:"

[sylviacaldwell]

EXCELLENT COMMENTARY!
THANK YOU!
✝️🎺👑

[speak-thetruth]

Thanks for such great insights. I am only wondering now about 2Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives.

So my question is, how do you reconcile 2Peter 3:10-11? Thanks!

[urawesome]

Jesus is already on the throne of David:

“For David says of Him, ‘I saw the Lord always in my presence; For He is at my right hand, so that I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted; Moreover my flesh also will live in hope; Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, Nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. You have made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of gladness with Your presence.’ “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” ’ Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:25-36‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

[cobishahrestani]

“Now concerning the COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU IN ANY WAY. For that day WILL NOT come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, ” 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

[julios]

Gyeah boi! We are waiting to be caught up! Til then we are catching fish and producing good fruit!!! Yes, driven to heaven by Jesus himself and forever will be with him

[R.O.N.Z.O]

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6‬ ‭