Kreia - The Zarathustra of Star Wars

#starwars
#kotor

[bajes]

This character is SO easy to misinterpret, and you did her justice.

[HittokiriBattousai]

Jedi: understand the Force
Sith: dominate the Force
Kreia: refuse the Force

[PapitoQinn]

Heh! That was me. But in all seriousness, I cannot thank you enough, Max. And also to Maryam, an amazing viewers of mine for introducing me to him!

[masterofbloopers]

Kreia is hands down the most profound character in Star Wars history. Her philosophy is something you just don't see in the more mainstream Star Wars content, and it's a shame. KOTOR I & II provide a deeper and darker look into the Star Wars universe and its core principles that gives you a greater appreciation for the series as a whole. If you haven't played either game, I highly recommend you play through both.

[Maxbeedo]

One of the most interesting aspects of KOTOR2 was the "Apathy is Death" sequence, which at first glance appears comical given some of the VA lines, but through the context of Kreia's goals makes a lot of sense, since she doesn't believe it's as simple as just avoiding choices. Being pulled towards both extremes, light or dark, it would easier if a force user could simply avoid both and do nothing, but given that every other force user is on one side or the other, they're still going to be fighting and dying, and nothing will have changed. Kreia sought someone who could demonstrate a new path for Jedi and Sith to follow, to prove to them that there was a better way, but they were not prepared for or accepting of it.

[wojszach]

when you make character so intriguing that people on yt will make multiple hours of analysis each on that character.

[nothingwrong]

It's interesting that Kreia spoke highly of Revan (one of the most powerful Force users), arguing that he didn't obey the sides of the Force, but used them as a tool to achieve his goals

Proto-Ubermensch?

[jesperdenbraven]

'The force and its manipulations have been a disater to all life'
-Kreia, probaly. If people stop looking only at the Nietzsche link and instead listen to the echoes between Kreia and Ted.

[MarcAlcatraz]

Max has some good taste to allow a Kreia essay on here! i love dissecting this character's ideology.

[ClarkKentai]

Huh, my impression was that Sith ideology was closer to Nietzsche, while Jedi beliefs aligned with Buddhism, and Kreia's arguments (in particular the ones regarding echoes) sounded like an oddly aggressive form of Wu Wei.

This'll be interesting.

Edit: "Aggressive" is definitely the wrong word to describe anything related to Wu Wei, but I'm tired.

[anthoniusdaoud-moraru]

_Influence gained: Kreia_
_Influence lost: Kreia_

[meppledude]

Can’t believe you made a video on one of the GOATs in video game history. WOOOOW

[Mikolaj]

Thanks for reminding me of this game. I myself always wondered why part one was "cult classic" when the sequel was so much better.

[andreypavlov]

"Obey or be destroyed" or more precisely "Agree or be punished"
An imprint that echoes through our existence since its very beginning.

[sorenkarna]

Kreia taught me more about life then most adults

[TheKUBczok]

Gush I could listen to Kreia all the time, her voice actress did so amazing job.

[logical-functionsmodel]

I am going to post my response here too:
"I think that this is an interesting observation as opposed to the common one, which is that Nietzsche is Kreia. Although Nietzsche explicitly states that Zarathustra never becomes the ubermensch. He also becomes an "anchorite" or goes to the lifestyle you mention as a means to cope with his rejection from the masses, (also he gets warned that people will attempt to assassinate him. [hmm why does that sound familiar Peragus?])
He thus goes into hiding as a means to teach others to become ubermensch. I should quickly mention that I have a different take on what ubermensch means here but that is my own, which I think actually fits with the narrative of the game even better.

I would state that Nihilus is representative of nihilism, due to him being a wound in the force, which is the "natural" response to the destruction of Force. I would go so far as to agree with your semi-position that the Force is base morality that encapsulates the masses. Naturally you have the Sith and Jedi that are representative of master and slave morality, which Nietzsche gets into more in his book "genealogy of morals". I think Scion is a person that upholds the values of master morality to its apex, but his existence is impossible due to the nature and tenants of master morality. This leaves your character, which must choose to live by one of the three systems that are master, slave, and that of the ubermensch

Side rant which ties into my final point: Many people think that the end of the ubermensch is just a person, but it is a system. It is a way of thought. One cannot become the ubermensch because one is still a mensch (man). It is society as a whole that must transcend our place.

To conclude, I agree that Kreia is heavily inspired by Zarathustra and I think you are on to something here, there are a couple points that don't quite fit."

[Kissamiess]

K1 already equated Jedi and Sith way to slave and master morality, but K2 really dived deep into Nietzschian thoughs. Both the Jedi and Sith are flawed and Kreia wanted to find her über-Jedi, who finds her own way, the right way. I believe it started when Chris Avellone was bothered by the Prequel notion that the Force controls your destiny, and used that to write this masterpiece. Unfortunately in the galaxy far, far away there can only be Star Wars.

[saeyabor]

"Muh representation"

Meanwhile, the single best character in all of Star Wars has been a creepy old lady since 2005.

[staciwhite]

I am a simple woman, I see a notification that Max has a Kreia video posted, I freaking click!