Extremely Deadly Light Side Abilities That Should Be Banned

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Composer: Whitesand (Martynas Lau)
Year: 2017
Title: Eternity Additional Music Terminus by: Scott Buckley
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[Kaminkaese]

The high sith art of...insults.
Dooku:"yo anakin."
Ani:"what?"
Dooku:"your son will never go to Toshi station with his friends!'
Ani: *get's weaker*

[domacleod]

Obiwan also used taunts. A lot. Anyway, I don't see a problem with the abilities being known to the jedi, and even used, in accordance to their belief system.
1. Force stealth / concealment is useful as an ability for spying on any dark side users (who would not be learning and using the ability if they had no reason to believe there are jedi nearby, presumably), or to mask your emotions (as jedi are not in fact emotionless as their creed implies at face value). Why would you want to mask your emotions? Say you've got a padawan who keeps failing. They frustrate you, but you don't want to show that so you don't discourage them. Hide it - problem solved. A jedi intent on finding proof of some conspiracy or other that they're clued in to, might also benefit from this, as not all who are force sensitive are trained as jedi or sith, but they might sense another force sensitive nearby.
2. Megaphone has a very big use in communicating with your allies. If you are locked in one on one combat with a sith, with no one around to be injured (and the jedi can sense life regardless through the living force so no risk of ignorance), can also be used to disorient the enemy to aid you in disarming them.
3. Pyrokinesis could be used to start a fire in the wilds while you're trying to survive. A useful skill for infiltrators and sentinels. Fire can also be used to warm up someone who's freezing, cook food, or even, as an emergency battlefield method, to cauterize wounds. Set a spoon on fire and use it to sear wounds closed. Medic droids can take care of more advanced healing once the wounded are safe.
4. Manipulating elements of nature is similarly useful - avoid a blizzard by bending it around yourself and potential rescue / escort targets, hold at bay a volcano while the population evacuates, redirect lightning by acting as a lightning rod on a particularly stormy planet, etc.
5. Machine commanding can be incredibly useful, and droids are not considered by the denizens of star wars universe, perhaps even less so by the jedi, to be alive in any real sense. Manipulating machinery or a droid with manual input is all fine, but there may be time restraints that make it more expedient to use this ability. Example: a crane is about to fall due to a landslide, right on top of a village. Do you run to the controls and manually pilot it back, or is it far more advisable to use this ability to "command" the machine to pilot itself backwards, or whatever other maneuver you have in mind?
6. I see no issue with psych warfare. Jedi are proponents and keepers of peace. Technically, they could even use fear to ensure peace (and more or less they do, as Jedi are about as feared as they are respected prior to nearly being exterminated). It's really not that different from force suggestion. You exploit your enemy's potential lack of will to fight. And for Jedi, this more often than not means you are better able to capture your enemy rather than kill them, which allows justice to be done, instead of vengeance.
7. Causing injuries... that's basically what their lightsaber is for, as well, and they also use the force to properly wield a lightsaber. Not an inherently dark or questionable ability. Sometimes it is necessary to injure in order to keep the peace. A warning, not a kill. Obi Wan used the concept of this versus Anakin in their final battle. A disabled enemy is better than a dead enemy. In the case of Anakin, he wasn't left alive to suffer, but to have time to think on his actions before he passed on - a cruel type of mercy that the Jedi would absolutely advocate for. The hope presumably is that they come to see the error of their ways and die in peace. (Technically Anakin ceased to exist at that point so that was their technical final battle.)

[erek_awesome]

The reason why the knights of the Old Republic were so much more powerful than the Jedi orders of the New Republic, or because they tapped into the dark side. Anakin has even stated that the Jedi could easily overpower any opponent, but they're limited to what they can do. This is the real reason why the Jedi order and the Republic fell to Palpatine. Had they still practiced dark side tendencies, they might have been able to sense that Palps was really the dark lord of the sith. Which is why Sidious wanted Qui-Gon dead because he knew if there was anyone on the order that would find out who he really was, it was Qui-Gon

[Take_it_E-z]

Maybe if Anakin just asked Obi-Wan to teach him how to save Padme from dying, he wouldn't have alerted the order and ACTUALLY helped him using knowledge from the archives.

[brianroberts]

If I'm not mistaken, I think that Force Bellow was used very effectively by Jedi Master Do'Va Kiin.

[Ham_Strokers_Ejacula]

Tbh, Palpatine's office was filled with sith artifacts and whatnot which aided in him hiding his force sensitivity/alignment from the Jedi.

[JohnGrove]

The Jedi always used restraint even when they could in principle be as powerful as sith. Reminds me of when Obi wan fought Vader and picked up hundreds of rocks and threw them at him. I think at this point Obi Wan was getting more than irked with Vader and wanted to show him even a Jedi can can get pissed and use the force beyond the restraint they were taught.

[notsure]

Certain Jedi were less corruptible; hence they were permitted to learn and use such powers. Limitations were placed on lesser Jedi to avoid them falling to the dark side and thus resurrecting the Sith.

[josephtownsend]

I would imagine the permission for the use of Force Injure is in the same vain as literal disarming strikes are taught in lightsaber combat. If combat is unavoidable, then finish the fight as quickly as possible with as little collateral damage and death as possible. Even if that means amputation or similar permanent but nonfatal injuries.

[johnconnor]

The Jedi mind trick is the most unethical Jedi ability manipulating someone to do your bidding

[edwincook]

I believe in the path of the grey Jedi, that all force abilities are neither good nor evil but lend themselves to the user's will, as with anything a reliance or focus on anything is a bad thing that will corrupt even if it is noble. If a force choke is used on an enemy to prevent harm to another where no other option is available, then it would be acceptable. Likewise using force heal to prolong the suffering of another without the intention of cure is pure evil and I'm sure the sith might even approve of its use in this case.

[jordank]

I mean force injure really is a light side ability, and in my opinion it’s light side in nature. In combat the Jedi are taught to disarm, that could mean taking the opponents light saber or cutting off a hand of a sith or a couple well placed cuts to immobilize an opponent. But never to kill an opponent. That’s essentially what force injure is, they are not killing the opponent the are immobilizing an opponent that is a threat to people and peace. That’s is what a peace keeper is. It’s a deterrent, similar to tear gas. It’s not going to kill someone but render them incapable of fighting or posing a threat. In my opinion it’s one of the most light side abilities there is. You are restraining yourself from easily killing an opponent by just injuring them so they can’t be a threat while also not killing them. I mean what does yoda think one of his force pushes is gonna do? That shit is gonna injure someone

[IronDragonslayer]

I agree with Luke in the sense that no force ability is inherently evil, it just depends on its user

[adrianaslund]

I wish the movies would feature more offensive light side powers. You have to be creative to write them. But Knights of the old Republic featured force stasis and stun. Yaddle can slow someone's metabolism down to a standstill. Basically force euthanasia. But It could probably be used to make someone faint. Alter environment and Battle Meditation is also pretty cool. Electric judgement is a more focused form of force lightning. Maybe its based on the buddhist idea of using anger as a tool but not holding on to it. Which seems appropriate for grey Jedi as well. But it seems to be more powered by a desire to bring Justice. Not quite righteous anger. But a desire to protect those who have been wronged by acting as a counterforce to an oppresive force. Its the creativity in writing them that make light side powers interesting. Its also weird that the lightsaber that symbolizes the jedi was originally a dark side weapon. The forcesaber was a Rakatan weapon that focused dark side power through a crystal. The original Jedi swords where more like psyker power swords from Warhammer 40k. Swords imbued with the force power of the user.

[ryancahill]

I'd say there's nothing wrong with the Jedi learning or using any of these abilities mentioned because the first Jedi's practiced both dark and light sides of the force and it was a war that split them apart, so haveing aggressive light force abilities makes sence for the Jedi order to survive

[TheNorthHawk]

Only star wars fans could come up with an idea as bad as taunting or talking to an enemy in combat being considered a controversial Jedi force technique. Seriously?

[darklandprotection]

All of the "questionable" abilities you talked about where created in a time when the Jedi and Sith were still so similar in mindset that they used the same types of force abilities and just changed the names.
And as such when people used them in battles where there could have been other less direct attacks available they were shunned, but those decisions on how certain things can and should be or should not be used were decided on by people not inherently present in that moment when shunned abilities were used.
It is always well after a decision of the moment is made that someone comes along to critique and shun, to out it in a more modern perspective "Officer shoots civilian in an incident where citizen ignored and aggressively moved towards the officer." Now the officer was telling the person to slowly reach for their id and to keep their other hand up and open, the person reached in side to a coat pocket and opened the coat with the other hand with out stating that they needed to open the coat because the ID was in the inside breast pocket.
The officer seen this as a threatening movement and fired. You see how the moment a choice is made is probably the only action to be done to stop the inherent threat, while anyone not there, not ever in such a moment can pick apart the incident based on things found out later after a lengthy investigation.
The Jedi order was good at that in its 20, 000 year existence it never learned to look at the decisions available for the moment and how the mind works in moments of stress and chaos, and as such made very bad and often times very stupid decisions.

[WheresMyTea]

The Jedi Order is just a giant AA meeting. "I can stop at anytime" because I'm so disciplined is their m.o. while the Sith are just drunkards going all in and having little to no restraint.

[JediWitness]

As nearly always with such things.. it's almost always the INTENT the determines what side of the force you're using. While there are certain abilities that DO tap into the Dark side much more, such as Force lighting, choke or other direct force attacks.. when used for DEFENSE or to save someone elses life, it CAN be justified on a LIMITED case by case basis. If one starts to use it TOO much and thinks, like Anakin did, that they're strong enough to handle it WITHOUT being corrupted, that Arrogance and Ego CAN and often DOES lead that person down the path to the dark side one SMALL DROP at a time.

This is why it must only be used sparingly and the Jedi themselves MUST be WELL Grounded in the force. This is something ONLY a Master with at least a decade or more of experience should use. Like VAPAAD, only very high level Masters such as Mace, Yoda, Luke etc would have sufficient power, skill and control and their LOVE for the light side be Strong enough that they could be trusted to ONLY use it when needed and Necessary.

But as is the case with living beings, our spirits often become corrupted EVER SO slowly, sooo slowly that we don't even realize we're slowly going down the wrong path until it's far too late. Even when others TELL us, our ego's and over confidence, as Yoda Warned about, often BLIND us to what's really going on. THIS is why the Jedi began to grow more and more cautious, strict and wary of the Dark or even ANYTHING that was a "grey" power, because if you keep using a grey power enough, eventually it makes YOU darker and darker until you've completely gone over and don't even realize it. Just like with colors on a Paint palette for real.. keep adding grey to white and soon it will get darker and darker. This is why Meditation, Constantly taking STOCK of yourself, cleansing and purging ones spirit on a regular basis is sooo important to maintaining a pure mind, heart and soul.

The Jedi weren't so cautious and dogmatic for NO reason. They had VERY GOOD REASONS for being as strict as they got, because they've seen how SUBTLE, slow and devious the dark side AND our OWN MINDS and hearts can be and how easily even the strongest CAN be corrupted if they let their GUARD DOWN even for a short time. Even the bible WARNS against this very thing in the true followers of Jesus and in advanced Chi-gung, this same thing is also taught if you want to keep making progress. You don't develop your internal force power for powers sake as the Sith do, but for Personal growth, health, longevity, enlightenment and the abilities you get FROM that training are considered positive SIDE EFFECTS and should only be used Sparingly in the service of Life and Others, NEVER for personal gain, power. greed, control etc. These are ACTUAL TEACHINGS within Advanced Gung-fu, Shaolin and Taoist teachings on Chi-gung and it's where Lucas got a LOT of these concepts used in Star Wars. This is why Star Wars is NOT just Awesome SCI-FI.. it's LOADED with Truth on SOOO Many levels.

[merikmalhads]

Dunmach is literally force enhanced talk no jutsu (enhanced in that it lets you more easily divine what will reach your opponent to throw them off balance). I'm shocked that the Jedi would condone such an unbelievably broken ability to be used... that is by far one of the strongest abilities that possibly exists