The Total State - Auron MacIntyre | Maiden Mother Matriarch 106

My guest today is Auron MacIntyre, columnist at The Blaze, host of 'The Auron MacIntyre Show', and author of 'The Total State: How Liberal Democracies Become Tyrannies.' We spoke about what the events of 2020 revealed about our political system, why we don't really live in a democracy, and how the total state has come to supplant the family, the church, and the community.

In the extended part of the episode we also spoke about the inability of Westerners to realise that other cultures function differently from their own, and why the total state will inevitably collapse – perhaps sooner rather than later.

0:15 2020 and the riots
08:15 Curtis Yarvin on ‘The Cathedral’
13:03 The ruling class
21:00 Motherhood and state encroachment
24:01 America as a plutocracy
28:01 Lockdowns & manufactured consent
32:05 Mass immigration
40:59 Feudal to democratic

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[julianchase]

What a wonderful guy - I want to find more material by him. Every bit was, “Yup…yup…yup…” You’re a wonderful interlocutor, too, Louise.

[hologramjosh]

In my opinion Auron is the best political commentator out there - glad you had him on!

[TGSTK]

Oh damn, this is the crossover I needed.

[NerdlySquared]

It is hard to see how a culture with rapidly weakening and dissolving family ties of all kinds has even the slightest chance of keeping any State or rulling ideology out of their lives.

People largely don’t have the minimum support base required for “independent” lives anymore, which is ironic in a culture that pushes “individualism” at all costs.

[fanshaw]

Decentralisation of responsibility and power is required. That probably requires a family unit and land.

[jenniferlawrence]

Liberal societies becoming more authoritarian would seem to be paradoxical, but perhaps Liberalism itself creates conditions in which authoritarianism naturally emerges?
For example: Would there naturally be more demand for laws against "Hate Speech" in highly diverse societies, or in more homogeneous ones? Would political-correctness become more prevalent in a society with more minority groups who could potentially be offended?

[SamUrtonDesign]

@43 min: Correction - Boomers are now ALL above 60 years old. Gen X is now anyone between 45 - 60 years old. Most of Gen X is now in their 50's. And we swap Gen X memes (mostly about being latchkey kids, and riding in the car without a seat belt on).

[marlonmoncrieffe]

I think it was Aristotle that said that democracy eventually degrades to oligarchy (or aristocracy).

Maybe we should introduce random lot into our political system?

[lordsneed]

Auron Macintyre and Louise Perry are based.

[Jules-Is-a-Guy]

We've definitely had plenty of elements of democracy (which I believe is good) but no it's true, not only would we not want direct democracy, we also clearly live in oligarchies, Yarvin's right on these points.
Opposing monarchy therefore tends to require defending a form of oligarchy in practice, I'm ok with this, I'm really defending the separation of powers.
(The absurdity of current governance, is not the inevitable outcome of this modality in all instances).

On the topic of immigration, I don't disagree with anything said, I think it leaves out how when there's a shortage of workers, if there's a temporary dip in size of native-born population, if the country's large/stable/wealthy enough and has cultural precedent for immigration, and if new arrivals are not hostile, then in those particular circumstances, immigration has mostly upsides (native workers shouldn't be displaced through this process, sizable immigrant populations should only be imported during a worker shortage).
One other point, is that host-societies should not be so significantly culturally-altered by incoming populations, that's a recipe for extreme tribalization, splintering and dissolution.

Those are lots of conditions, and for historical reasons not only of culture and governance, but also/especially of geography, pretty much none of these concerns have ever presented, nor today present an existential risk to US. It's an unusual, highly-advantageous reality, that this country operates this way.
Most countries don't, and whether in US or elsewhere at any given time, without meeting all those conditions, high levels of immigration tend to present a significant risk to the integrity of a nation.

Anyhoo... Louise managed to ask all the right questions such that I agreed with nearly everything, even though I usually at least partly, or perhaps significantly differ with MacIntyre.
Another fav YT person Benjamin Boyce, managed to do exactly the opposite, last I saw a MacIntyre interview. (I disagreed much).
I'm ridiculous, but I remember being stuck in a laundry room with computer that day, gradually trippin' on toxins. I recall probably over-trolling that Boyce/MacIntyre episode as a result.

I also recall I similarly over-trolled this channel on same day, I think regarding surrogacy, and an account I believe was called littlelights appeared with suspiciously Louise's exact writing style, to calm me down lol (I remember channel had good music).
I swear I need a sponsor for just being dumb, I was dehydrated earlier this week which somehow turns me very vernacular, plus somewhat miscalibrated (and likely to mention protesting certain things, which I tend never to actually do).

[Charles-zc]

I'm so happy to see a woman saying these things. It sometimes seems only men get it, likely because the Cathedral is much more feminine in its values.

[skylinefever]

Maybe I wouldn't have such nasty views of "Christendom" if I wasn't manipulated by the Southern Baptist Convention and it didn't work. I often discussed the concept of people having a "Belief in God circuit" in their minds and people not getting them. Well, that's a concept beyond such people. No, the christpill is some fixall, and there can't possible be a single person not able to use it.

35:45 Opting out of children does not equate to buying into mass migration. If it was, Japan and South Korea would have been years ahead of the west in that aspect.

[markandrews]

So, whither expertise? MacIntyre is starting to sound like Foucault with respect to epistemic doubt. What's needed is the democratisation of expertise.

[Charles-zc]

I understand Auron's point about gay mariage, but I think he's wrong to see gender ideology as a continuation of that movement. In many ways, it's more a continuation of the logics of feminism, which seeks to be ever more inclusive, to the point of making a category like "woman" inclusive to men. If you read Butler, she's very clear about this.

[Chambers_]

2 minutes in, is this really a comparison Auron thinks is valid? Can't go to a funeral but people are rioting? There are legitimate criticisms of government responses to the pandemic, pointing to people rioting as if it's some form of government sanctioned activity just weakens your argument.

[johnstewart]

He is complaining about socialism -- especially the HG Wells, Bertrand Russell variety.