FSR 4 with AI: Will AMD Finally Beat DLSS?

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Video Index
00:00 - Welcome to the September Q and A
00:22 - Ad Spot
01:02 - Why do NVIDIA GPUs use less VRAM than AMD?
05:06 - What do we think about FSR4 being AI-Based?
10:51 - ZOTAC, XFX or PNY as good as the big 4?
15:57 - What AMD GPU do we expect to match the PS5 Pro?
23:34 - Should FSR work at a hardware level to compete?
30:36 - Should AMD have tested with a 4090 instead of the 7900XTX?
35:32 - Can I use memory faster than DDR5-6000 with my AMD CPU?

FSR 4 with AI: Will AMD Finally Beat DLSS? September Q&A [Part 1]

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Outro music by David Vonk/DaJaVo

[TheCountess]

DLSS isn't hardware based, it's hardware accelerated. it could run on any hardware (if not always very fast), and could run just as fast on any hardware that has matrix solvers (that Nvidia markets as tensor cores) if nvidia would allow it.

[Emma-ix]

11:00 XFX has a pretty big advantage in Germany. It's often one of the cheapest with good coolers

[denverag]

Hot take
I think FSR targeted universal card support so that it wouldnt be ignored, sure there was probably a hope some games would choose FSR over DLSS, but really i think the main goal was just to have it included at all.
If a game dev often chose not to include DLSS despite it being in ~90% of new cards, why would they bother with FSR if it only worked on 5-10% of new cards?
By working on all cards, including Nvidia cards that dont support DLSS, it evened the playing field on weather a developer would include it or not.

[ZeebraZee]

13:00 Always find it somewhat funny that a lot of people in the west think Gigabyte, MSI or Asus are the "big boys" in GPU manufacturing and everyone else is small time, while in reality the real GPU giant is actually Palit Microsystems. They overtook Asus back in 2013 already to become the largest GPU AIB.

As for the others players in the market which are not that well know by western audiences and reviewers but still very large.
Colorful(Largest in China which moves massive volume)
PC Partner Group(Manili, Zotac, InnoVISION) who also also does a lot of contract manufacturing

[georgioszampoukis]

Machine Learning Engineer here: The reason (I Believe) that FSR is not AI based is because AMD's RocM (the equivalent to CUDA) isn't supported on windows after years of promises that "it will come soon". It means that on windows systems, AMD cards have no way of utilizing the hardware to efficiently run AI tasks. One way around this is to use DirectX 12 as the execution provider for AI tasks but it is slower than running them bare metal as RocM would allow. Nvidia not only has CUDA as an execution provider but also TensorRT, which is even more optimized and fully utilizes the Tensor Cores. If AMD uses DirectX to do this, it means that the upscaling model will have to share the same resources with the game engine that renders the game. Without proper RocM support for windows, I am very skeptical on whether FSR4 will run properly. Lets see.

[kubotite]

PNY is the only brand that Nvidia trusted to produce their workstations gpu..and PNY is a US based company..

[dustineverhart]

PNY is an American Company that does a TON of data center GPUs and have kinda started dabbling in consumer GPUs a bit more in the 4000 series

[Masterrunescapeer]

A few topics here are odd.
1. VRAM usage -> Like RAM, it will use as much as it can get so it doesn't need to hit the disk. As long as you are not getting out of memory usage, it's fine. You want it to fill it up as you pay the electricity cost whether it's full or 1 bit is used, so better to avoid having to go to slower memory (/disk).
2. FSR being open source does not stop them from optimizing it for their own hardware (or overriding/hooking at driver level so other implementation is used), but does increase the chance that the game comes with the correct API calls so they can use it.

[jedadiahtucker]

I have a XFX merc 319 6800xt and its great. runs quiet cool and fast. i also really like the XFX style. no rgb puke or other weird light garbage. just a lit up XFX logo.

[Madmeerkat]

Awesome q&a, great questions and answers. Thanks for taking the time guys

[mRibbons]

"Haven't any roasts prepared or anything?"
"I wish, but its not worth my time."

*Boom* 💥 🔥🔥🔥

[konstantinlozev]

Nvidia introduced very efficient frame buffer lossless compression back in the GTX 1000 series. In fact, they were specific about that at the time

[thDragoon]

XFX used to be one of the most recommended manufacturers out there back when they also made Nvidia cards. I remember cross-shopping between EVGA and XFX for my 8800GT when I was building a PC to play the original Crysis. And from what I’ve gathered over the years, XFX is very much still considered one of the “big 3” of the red team.

I ended up getting ahold of an MSI Ventus 3080 10gb back in December 2020 (for actual MSRP too), and though it has served be very well, it has a plastic backplate. I was used to the build quality of EVGA and Sapphire cards, and holy crap, the shrouds in MSI’s newer graphics cards feel ridiculously cheap!

[jenrosejenrose]

I have been part of building about ten computers in the past year and a half and not one of them has had an nvidia card because of price. We're all doing 1080 or 1440p gaming, and I've been very happy with my 6800. Have bought the following cards with good results:
7600xt, 6400 (for an old low profile system), 6650xt, 6800 times two, 6700, and a 7800xt. Think the majority have been xfx for price.

[Prince-oxim]

Zotac is very popular in India as it provides 5(2+3) years of warranty

[Phil_]

28:20 Black Myth Wukong is using lumen. That IS raytracing but you ignore that because it hurts your argument.

[CPyJIb]

FSR shines on old GPUs. Probably the best case scenario would be 5700XT, 1070, 1080ti. Affordable first market (5700XT) and second hand market for NVidia old generation GPUs.
Now saying this, i found out a lot of value for 5700XT with it's pricing below 200$.

[tariel]

11:00 Honestly, I've had far better experiences with the smaller brands than with the big boys to the point where I'll now actually prefer them.

[DJ-fwmi]

MSI GTX 1080 to a XFX 7900XT both have been wonderful. Still using the 1080 in the living room rig.

[cracklingice]

Regarding the Nvidia color thing: I believe you are referring to how the Nvidia cards will default to a limited dynamic range when using HDMI while AMD will default to full. You can change the setting in the Nvidia control panel to use 'full' over HDMI. DP is default set to full. I think they work under the assumption that HDMI means TV and TV operated best with limited since the TVs would compress the dynamic range anyway.