Unlocking the Mind: Dr. John Vervaeke & Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh Decode Cognitive Secrets

Dr. John Vervaeke engages with the multi-talented Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh in a conversation that oscillates seamlessly between the theoretical and the practical. Known for transforming Vervaeke's theoretical frameworks into tangible practices, Ethan presents his novel Sapiential Processing Framework, a countermeasure to parasitic cognitive biases. The duo also explores the neurobiology of cognition, the intricacies of recursive awareness, and the enigmatic world of spiritual phenomenology. Throughout the conversation, they illuminate the nuances of dialogical rationality, cognitive flexibility, and the transformative power of awareness. Dr. Vervaeke and Ethan delve deep into the mechanics of performance, drawing fascinating parallels to conventional cognitive science theories. Wrapping up the episode, Ethan shares a poignant practice of writing thoughts for his future children, offering a touch of humanism amid cerebral dialogues. Listen in for a thought-provoking blend of philosophy, psychology, and practical wisdom.

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00:00:00 — Dr. John Vervaeke introduces returning guest Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh.
00:01:04 — Ethan discusses transitioning from theoretical to practical work.
00:01:57 — Ethan shares his Sapiential Processing Framework via a screen presentation.
00:03:08 — Ethan talks about the fourth iteration of his framework.
00:04:00 — Discussion on recursive awareness of interpretive bias.
00:08:22 — Vervaeke draws an analogy between Darwinian theory and Mendelian genetics.
00:10:08 — Vervaeke explains dialogical processing as an antidote to confirmation bias.
00:16:13 — Ethan demonstrates an exercise to shift perspectives in actors.
00:17:47 — Vervaeke introduces the notion of the notice invariance heuristic.
00:23:09 — Vervaeke stresses the transformative aspect of spiritual experiences.
00:25:26 — Both discuss the concept of 'notice invariance.'
00:30:16 — Vervaeke talks about his work on rituals.
00:31:40 — Conversation on deliberate critical reflection for self-organizing criticality.
00:38:00 — Ethan delves into the theatrical context of speaking.
00:39:50 — The concept of presence is debated.
00:45:41 — Ethan discusses introspection and adjustment for personal growth.
00:46:37 — Introduction to the default mode network by Ethan.
00:49:06 — Ethan defines his work as part of a meta curriculum.
00:50:28 — Insights on the cognitive mechanics of performance and parasitic processing.
00:54:55 — Kobayashi-Hsieh urges listeners to fight paralysis through self-awareness.
00:55:36 — Vervaeke wraps up with a reminder of Socrates’ multifaceted wisdom.

[Zombiphobia]

I listened to this in the background while I played minecraft and I have no idea what it was about but I was able to complete the stables of my castle so thanks for that.

[williamjmccartan]

Very happy to see Ethan back and hear how he is progressing with his interpretation and integration of your work John. Thank you both for sharing Ethan and John, peace

[erlinae]

Clarifying mind blowing dialogue 😅 endless insights that is bringing relevant realization

[alexandrazachary.musician]

Awesome work Ethan! It’s so exciting to see this project morph and grow. BTW I can usually find papers so hit me up whenever you need. Thanks John. 🙏🏽❤️🌏

[erlinae]

Ethan please publish your poem so we can take it to the world, it’s beautiful

[chrissparrowhawk]

I like this. Folks think in different ways and not all at the same pace or depth. This helps a lot!

[fred]

Hi John, would love to hear a conversation between you and Alicia Juarrero.

[alexandresavardo]

I understand this is part of a series ? Couldn't find links to previous discussions with M. Kobayashi. Anyone ?

[missh]

Eeeethan 🙋🏽‍♀️it's been too long! 13:50 Also draw as much detail of a tree in fall or winter and everytime you see it change through the spring and summer. You will know exactly where the branches are when it is completely covered and full of leaves. And it just came to me, that you can use the same picture to see if the branches are still the same as last fall or winter. It is a totally different experience compared to photography. I think because of the fine motor memory thingy.

25:36 isn't the early salesmen like the stats that show what is trending in the market? Except its on another tier of that table. Not actually the type of information that is found on a website. Its like an inner compass. I find santee is difficult to level out or break out of. Is there a few tricks to home, just in case it happens at the most inappropriate times? Like a commitment to self or a logic app. or tools for self check?

35:47 that was beautiful. "Recurcive relevance realisation" (compress) troubleshoots for "evolvability of relevance realisation" (decompress). Tbh I had to look at mechanical parts too so I could have a visual to see what it does because I am also a tactile learner. Eg. A compression joint (metal pipeline joint thing for gas) has an "olive" 😊 like the One ring lol. Im kidding. When that sensation happens I know its the olive. Therefore the opposite needs to be applied. You go straight to Zeus and demand an answer from Athena! Im kidding again. But close because Camos reminds us of being human and what it is that we trully desire. And when that becomes the centre. Decompression should be about trust, love, not having immediate expectations, patience, breathing etc... And one of my illogical logics is "everything happens for a reason (solid truth) and in its own time (trust in your knowing)".

That was a beautiful poem Ethan. Its the same energy in the theatrics of demanding answers from who other than the Gods themselves hhh 🤦🏽‍♀️ philosophy doesnt do enough shameless me moments

[scarymuffin]

Wow Ethan! Interesting. I am sorry I thought you were just cruising around when I met you in hamstead heath. Very interesting 😇

[mellonglass]

Military removes the child, the first ‘reason’ of the child, is the garden, the first way to destroy the garden is to objectifying it, rather than dwell in the un knowingness in the experience of holding a hand. (The human condition).
But after years of warm data practice, patriarchy is constantly humiliated of the child’s honesty and how to live a future, instead of enforcing trauma by harms.

[vagabondcaleb]

There is no [Good vs Evil](666)..
There is only Love vs Fear
Love is that which enables choice
Love is always stronger than fear
Choose on the basis of love, ALWAYS.