My Hyundai IONIQ 5 Charges So Much Faster Than My VW ID.4! Here’s How Much Time I’ve Saved

Dave compares his IONIQ 5 to his previously owned ID.4 including all the data for recent road trips from CT to Florida to see how big a difference there is when charging. This comes as a follow up to Dave recently released IONIQ 5 road trip videos on the Out of Spec Motoring channel which can be found here:

EV Road Trip In My Hyundai IONIQ 5 Up The Entire East Coast!

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[newscoulomb]

15:24 The real advantage with the E-GMP platform is the *average* charging speed. The peak ~235 kW charging speed is largely irrelevant because the EV6 and Ioniq 5 can draw up to 170 kW from a 150 kW charger, and they will still be charging at 150 kW at 80% battery.

[KyleConner]

Whatever the case is, I think we can all agree the time saved by charging was made up by creating this video talking about how much time he’s saved. 😬 nice video, Dad!

[TheRealMerchyBautista]

David, you're a very funny guy and entertaining to watch! We're always excited to see you in a video. We definitely would love to see more vlogs from you in the future! Keep up the great work!

[jasonblair]

The time difference was way higher than i expected. Nice video giving a real world example that most people can relate too.

[robertbaxter]

Nice “fireside chat” Dave. I am currently considering both cars. Thanks.

[newscoulomb]

In my opinion, most EV people aren't thinking correctly about charging. Charging speed doesn't matter; only charging time matters. And the reason charging time matters is how it aligns to your expectations for the trip (opportunity cost). Having the option for a significant 10 to 15 minute charging session, even starting at >50% battery is important for road tripping because you can add an hour or more of driving range while taking a bio break. Outside of that, if you can add two hours or more of driving range while eating a meal (typically 30 to 45 minutes) you've still achieved that positive opportunity cost. The only concern for EV road trips is if the range and charging time add unwanted time to the trip (negative opportunity cost).

Ultimately, it comes down to how you as an individual travel, and most online EV influencers seem to be suffering from group think (possibly from relying too heavily on Tesla's route planner over the years, which encourages deep cycles and short charge stops). As a result, they are trying to insist that quick pitstops are the only way to travel in an EV, when in actuality, many people don't travel that way, even in ICE cars. Going from my Chevy Volt to my Chevy Bolt EV in 2016, I literally only added 30 to 45 minutes to my typical travel time over 500+ miles. Why? While I could make the trip with a single, 10-minute fueling stop in the Volt, I was still stopping twice to use the bathroom and once for a meal (it's 8+ hours of driving, after all).

Almost every modern EV can now make that trip in a similar time as I used to spend in my gas-powered Volt thanks to more, faster, and better-distributed chargers.

[CookeCraft]

Dave, you are putting out really interesting and entertaining content. Keep up the good work.

[learnfiore]

Good video. I've been logging all of my charging in my SE and comparing to what I could have paid to travel the same distances in various ICE classes of cars. So, I have a similar spreadsheet although I haven't yet taken a road trip where I had to charge along the way - which will change this weekend.

I made my first visit to the Richmond, VA EA station an hour after watching Dave visit the station on his trip down to Florida. Thanks to both Dave and Kyle for all the I5 videos. They really helped get me comfortable with making the leap to electric and I've been having a great time in the month that I've had the car.

[LostInIce]

Just did a 1078 kilometers road trip here in Norway, charged from 8% - 80% in 18 minutes according to the Ionity charger. Cheers from a fellow New Canaanite!

[NicholasTripp]

Really appreciate this content! Very helpful. I'll be curious to see how the Ioniq 5 performs when the weather starts to cool again. I'm hopeful Hyundai will get a software update out to add preconditioning for the 2022 AWD models in the mean time.

[markfitzpatrick]

Dave loved the the video tesla Bjorn. Would be happy about your spreadsheet. I wish I was that good tired.

[txredkim]

I saw a White EV6, Tesla & Red ID4 in the wild today for the first time. I saw a Rivian 3 times in the last week, I think it's the same one. The Tesla & ID4 where at my office, charging, The EV6 was at a Walgreens charging. The EV6 is very nice, the ID4 is larger than I thought it was based on videos and the Red Tesla was, well, bad a$$...

[YoavRheims]

This was the best EV comparison I've seen on YouTube in a long time!

[junkerzn]

Yah, the cruise control in the ID.4 has a few deficiencies. On my ID.4, I find that the cruise control tries to maintain the speed a bit too precisely. So dips in the road or wind gusts can throw it off and actually cause it to put the car in light regen when it should have just coasted the car instead. However, it also depends on the driving mode selected. In Eco mode, the ACC reacts slowly and doesn't jerk the car into regen immediately, whereas in Sport mode the ACC reacts very quickly and can jerk the car around unnecessarily (accelerating or decelerating). The main solution is to use Custom mode and set the ACC responsiveness to be as light as possible, but this creates a second problem in that it does not react quickly enough to slowing traffic ahead of the car. (This is with the 2.3 firmware that came with my AWD ID.4). I hear that 3.x fixes some of these issues but I don't know for sure.

The one-pedal stuff... I just don't like it. It makes it difficult to defensively hover the brake because just letting off the accelerator significantly decelerates the car when I don't want to decelerate the car. Plus in B mode I have to keep my foot precisely in position on the accelerator at all times and that is really annoying. But I understand that a lot of people do like the one-pedal stuff. I far prefer D mode, and D mode will do light regen (fairly smartly too)... a tad less in eco/comfort mode, and a tad more in sport mode. But not so much that it upsets people behind you.

-Matt

[ericm]

Great comparison! Appreciate the spreadsheets!

[shahzadiqbal]

Amazing video. Wow you've shared some amazing details. Amazing research. I still struggle in understanding some technical terms, but you and Kyle making these videos really help me in understanding the electric cars much better. Really appreciate your effort.

[ericm]

Really useful data and analysis. Thank you!
I'm seeing $87, 400 for the Lucid Ari Pure (RWD).

[GreggHavens]

Dave, like you, we live in one place (Mississippi) and our kids and Grandkids are east and west coasts. So road trips will a multi-time-a-year event. I'm really looking toward the Ioniq 5 as a replacement for my Pathfinder. I don't need the size anymore but the wife would rather sit high when driving. Of course, I live in an area where I will have to travel hundreds of miles to buy one. And convince the wife.

[evquietcornerct]

just a quick comment as i have not watched the full video yet, on your Tesla road trip comment. i stopped at the EA station out in Wrentham, MA to charge on my way back from Cape Cod on sunday. saw 3, yes 3 Teslas pull in and try to use the EA station, and fail. so there are many (most likely new) tesla owners that are still learning. this was in 28 minutes time. i so wish i could have talked to them to see what the story was, but i was on an important call. i know one tried to plug in, saw that it didn't fit, and drove off.

[ArielBatista]

Wow that's a great spec for the charging. I don't know how it all works for speed. I just took a trip. With my 2021 Bolt Premier from Jacksonville to Atlanta. 386 miles one way. It was my daughter and I. She had some tickets for a concert. We made the trip with another party that started in St. Augustine. Which is 35 miles south of us. We met at one of the few EA in the area. They have the Ioniq 5 SE. Really good looking car. Road trips are better with others. We both set up the trip in ABRP. My friends said 6.25 hours trip time with a 40 minute charge. Mine being a very slow charging car. Said 7.5 hours for the trip. Long story short version. I set up 4 - 20 minute stops. They had just 2 of 15 minutes. Since they were the first road trip. They decided to go and stop with us. So they over charged but it was free for them. I had to pay. It was a very good fun trip. As we would get off the charging and sometimes with lunch and shopping. It took more than the 20 minutes we scheduled. But it was still a great fun trip. My Bolt averaged 3.7 miles per kWh. Her was 2.6. we drove at 70 mostly. When travelling with time it's not really much of an issue. Between the two. But if you need to go fast and get there early then the Ioniq 5 is best. I just can't afford the 15k difference in price.