The Knot They Say You Should NEVER Tie!!!

The bowline is one of the most popular knots in sailing because it holds well and is quick to tie and untie.

And Dyneema is one of the most popular synthetic lines because it’s stronger than steel.

But Dyneema is slippery and knots can pull right out, so some say you should NEVER tie a bowline in Dyneema.

In this video we strength test a Dyneema bowline and see what happens.

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[williamstreet]

We race a lot and use Dyneema a lot. All halyards are tied as bowlines in Dyneema. Last year, we had a genoa halyard break. But the bowline did not slip. If you're worried about it, tie a stopper in the bitter end of the bowline.

[frednedgold]

could you please test a halyard knot done with dyneema.

[SaKuLification]

In a pinch it will work and I would not worry, but if its part of a permanent solution just teach yourself how to splice it. Looks better, is safer and also quite fun and very satisfying. If you have to use a bowline on it, you could also make the tail end a bit longer than usual, just to be safe.

[MrM-hlvp]

There are a many different bowlines if you really want it to hold do a double reff, meaning go around twice. We've tied bouys on crab pots using that, but we went around three times and then taped it. It holds and is easy to untie.

[Pembquist]

Recently had an arguscussion about soft shackles for asym sheets and someone told me about splicing 12 strand to double braid and making an integral soft shackle which sounded neat and all but I feel like it is faster and easier for me to tie and untie a bowline than a soft shackle. Am I wrong? Is it just taste? Is there a proper doctrine for the doctrinaire? And BTW when I used to go climbing a lot of the time my main tie in knot would be a double bowline with a double overhand safety knot. Much easier to untie after loading than the figure 8, especially when your forearms were pumped.

[cmcc]

Bowlines where designed to be used on natural fibre rope, if used in synthetics use the double bowline with a long tail which should be stoppered

[Prestodigital]

There is also the historic Matthew Walker which can be tied to form an eye and is self-locking.

[NICOLAS]

Little dramatic but ok. All my shrouds are in dynima on my F22 trimaran. On a 28 foot monohull of a friend, same thing and there is some permanet tention on it

[douglasashby]

Brilliant keep up the investigation into myths spread by people making money out of clicks on YouTube. Love the footage from your tri!

[frederickwelham]

A figure 8 knot in the tail of the bowline will prevent slippage.

[ASTANELAND]

The only knot I use. Can you tie it with one hand.

[axle.australian.patriot]

The simple solution is an extra lock loop on the tail. Stops the bowline from slipping when loose and doesn't make it any less easy to undo.

[MrM-hlvp]

I think it didn't slip out because of the electrical tape on the end.
I've spent over 35 years commercial fishing on the Bering Sea.
I've been to school for net mending, I know my knots.
Once while tendering Herring, I tied a boline to the brailer filled with herring. It was a poly line with lots of herring oil. It slipped out. Didn't hurt anyone. But there are limitations.

[petermcminn]

The title of this video is great...for a different video.

[streptokokke]

So, what's „The Knot You Should NEVER Tie”?

[powerlooper]

This knot may FAIL. I fly big kites when I kiteboard, and use my personally invented technique called Power Looping. It puts tremendous strain on my coated dyneema kite lines. I don't use bowlines, because they fail - since they will cut themselves - as I've learned the hard way. I tie a figure 8 slipknot, and those don't fail. You can actually see the line cutting itself in your experiment - as the line slips, heats up and melts itself.

[admacdo]

If you know a knot well enough, you should be able to tie it behind your back with little problem unless it requires larger action than you can manage. Tying it in front of you with your eyes shut solves that problem. Best I've managed so far is a button knot with my eyes shut.

[jims]

I learned to tie the buntline and prefer it for slippery lines, but I can't tie it blindfolded like a bowline!

[stephensidaras]

Or you could tie a super dyneema knot. Start tieing a bowline with 2 loops then move top loop behind bottom loop. This creates a super knot.

[patbanta]

Nice thing about a bowline is it unties Easily after loaded up. Now think about that your next trip up the mast. There’s the reason rock climbers use a finger 8.