Addressing Licence Changes to pfSense Plus Home and Lab

Addressing Changes to pfSense Plus Home+Lab



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[JeffGeerling]

Feeling smug about picking OPNsense for the new office...

[ericneo]

This seems to be an ongoing problem with open source and open source licensing. Companies want others to contribute but once the product becomes good enough they lock the open source product and change the license by hiding it behind a SAAS subscription with a new user agreement. Seems like it's time the big players and the Foundation need to address this before it gets out of control.

[Petroscapes]

I remember when Plus came out, there were people warning that Netgate would be doing this or something similar in the future. Many people didn't believe it or eventually decided to ignore it. Netgate has a weird history and a record of missteps and questionable decisions that they then defended in a not-so-professional manner. Like many, I would be more than willing to pay - even for CE - but not nearly that much.

[LackofFaithify]

be optimistic all you want. Once a company starts these sorts of rug pulls they don't stop. Period. Never have been in the doom in gloom crowd, but this pattern of behavior is a well cemented one in the corporate world. You give a mouse a cookie, and it will inevitably not stop till it gets the house.

[abbiedogthree]

Sad I converted to Plus, CE did everything I needed. Time to give OpenSense a second look.

[thepontiff]

I went to opnsense about a year ago when netgate just kept being insufferable rude pigs. Took a bit of getting used to, but it's rock solid. Now I wouldn't use anything else.

[droknron]

They told us to move from CE to Plus because it was better and free for home use. Now if I change any hardware on my box that runs Plus, my license becomes invalid and I have to pony up $400 or revert back to pfSense CE and lose just wonderful. I've already had my license invalidated once when I changed network cards so this is a real possibility again.

Netgate isn't a good company, no morals, no ability to stick to what they say etc

[SpookyLurker]

My pfSense install f-ed up at some point and wouldn't do OS or plugin updates no more. I guess it was a good choice to revert back to OPNsense.

I will not do subscription models.. ever.

[ErikS-]

About time the complete open source society should go to court in a class action! And show a judge how they gave free contributions to this FREE open source software projects with the understanding it IS FREE and STAYS FREE!
These filthy license changes are nothing different than a wolve in sheeps clothing!

[vaidkun]

10-15usd per month for home user license sounds not that bad, but the 400USD per year is a bit steep... the worst thing is they had strong push to free plus home/lab licenses that were free and now they just pulled this stuff...

[PocketRocket-ur]

I've been a subscribe of this channel for many years, so i understand your reasons as you've mentioned it many times before.... But.... i think it could be a very lucrative/wise move to make a start on making some videos about that "other" firewall. It sure would boost the subscriber base! Diversity is key...Lets be honest... at some point Netgate "might" close the door, and when or if that happens it will leave a lot of home users like myself without an option.When that happens you'll already have well produced/trustworthy content to help us switch. It would be really nice to have a channel as good as yours to supply well produced/trustworthy content on setting up that "other" firewall...

When that time comes.... You'll already be there ;)

[MattVickers]

I would happily pay around $30-40 per year for home use of an open source product. Income from home users will be a drop in the ocean compared to commercial income whether they charge $10 or $200

[nadtz]

When people said this wouldn't happen back when I read the writing on the wall (same with Red Hat and other projects) and moved to opnsense.

[iankester-haney]

It's not the change that bothers me. It just costs so much. For a home use case, $30 to $60 is a more reasonable yearly cost.

[blademan]

They pushed Plus, and I moved to Plus a few months ago. These guys keep changing their tune. Super annoying. Oh well, time to set aside some time and move to Opnsense. I hear Opnsense community is much nicer too.

[goguy]

Getting sick of companies (Vader voice) "I have altered the terms of service pray I don't change them further"

[-GoodYu]

And this is one of the huge reasons I didn't upgrade to plus. The other being that my system works fine and I didnt feel like doing an upgrade like that for features I didn't need.

[EagleSightLabs]

I am in the process of buying the gear to build my own homelab and was looking at using pfSense. I was ok with the $129/year for TAC Lite. It sucks that they just removed that option completely. I feel like $129/year is a reasonable price for home use. Obviously I would prefer it to be free for home use but if I have to pay then $129/year then I'm ok with that. I'll have to load pfSense CE into a VM and see what's features are available there. If it has what I need then I'll go that route because the experience of knowing how to use pfSense is definitely worth it for a career in IT.

[JonathanSwiftUK]

$399 is totally unaffordable for home users. So back to CE. Most likely I'll immediately try Opensense. I thought it said TAC lite is gone. They just screwed themselves, and all of us who followed their advice to move to the free home lab versions. I feel like "how to install Opensense" is going to be trending.

[williamp]

The GL.iNet travel routers use OpenWrt with a much more refined interface on top of it. It’s limited to the particular configurations they want to promote on their devices, but you can drop down to the full OpenWrt interface when you want to.