Is TEMU the real problem here?

What is the cost of cheap art and craft supplies? Why are some people admonishing the site and others shopping like "billionaires?" Is it really any different than shopping on Amazon, Walmart, Target, or anywhere else that sells goods made in China? Let's pull on that thread in today's video and feel free to tell me what you think in the comments below.

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[thefrugalcrafter]

After hearing concerns about products created with forced labor and child labor out of China I did some research on the US Department of Labor website where they list suspected products from all regions of the world made by forced (slave/prison) labor and child labor. Suspected products from China made by forced labor are Artificial Flowers, Christmas Decorations, Coal, Fish, footwear, Garments, Gloves, Hair Products, Polysilicon, Nails, Thread/Yarn, and Tomato Products. Probable child labor products are Bricks, Cotton, Electronics, Fireworks, Textiles, Toys. That's why we hear so much about sweatshops in the fashion industry because from picking cotton to making fabric and then sewing garments it is heavily reliant on human labor and they need cheap labor for the low prices. But don't think because you buy brand-name clothing from American stores you are fine, Nike is on the list of sweatshop-using brands along with 80 other famous brands.

So as crafters, we should probably avoid purchasing Silk flowers, Christmas decorations, yarn, thread, and fabric made in China. As I suspected the paint and colored pencil manufacturing is more automated and not reliant on massive amounts of labor. It was good to have it confirmed tho.



Let's do our best.

[sparrowsfriend]

Lindsay, just to let you know, Joe Miller, founder of Cheap Joe’s Art Supplies, just passed away. He was the pharmacist in the town where I grew up. As I got older, I watched his pharmacy become less pharmacy and more of an art supply store until he opened Cheap Joe’s. Wonderful man!

[NinaRibenaMixedMedia]

Hello Lindsay. I was offered a paid for collaboration with Temu. They were very strict about how the content and information in the description box should be presented. Hours went into producing the two videos I prepared for them. (There is a disclaimer in my video informing my viewers it was a paid for collaboration). To this date I have not received a penny in payment despite contacting my representative numerous times. I have to say I am happy with the products I received, but I will never deal with or purchase from Temu again as all trust has gone.

[frand]

Bottom line for me is what can I afford? I've been buying from Temu lately and have no issues with either the quality of their items or their customer service. Sure. I like Stampin' Up, Altenew, Tim Holtz, and lots of other name brand name products sold online. But, I'm trying to indulge my artistic, creative nature without going over my budget. I'm 76, retired, on a fixed income. Creating cards for family and friends, experimenting with mixed media, and watercoloring, are what I get joy from. When I see $50 price tags on stamp and die sets, or just stamps alone, or dies alone for $25, I know they're out of my budget. And that's before shipping charges which add $7 to $11 on average. It makes me sad to not buy what I can envision using for a new project I've planned in my imagination. When I see $50 items on Temu, selling for under $5, with free shipping, I get angry. I'm being forced to choose between supporting US businesses over buying what I want at a price I can afford...
especially when almost all of those US businesses have their products made in China anyway. Those companies are not supporting US manufacturers and US workers. For those big brand companies it's a matter of profitability. All companies need to make a profit to stay in business. The lower their costs the more money they make, so they turn to China for their production. I'm sure they're paying Temu prices or less for their products, then spend money on promotion, pay their designers, and cover all other overhead. They sell their items at exorbitant prices to cover that overhead, passing that cost on to consumers. I think their markups are over the top, though. I'd be willing to pay more for US made products knowing I'm at least supporting the US's economy, not China's. So, if I buy from a US company who contracts with a foreign manufacturer, and I'm supporting that economy anyway, I'm going to buy directly from the foreign suppliers and cut out the Chinese-supporting middleman and save money. It makes me feel like a traitor of sorts, but it's a situation I'm being forced into if I want to keep up with the hobbies that mean so much to me. At 76, I don't have a whole lot of years left, and I want to spend those years doing the crafts that give me joy. If buying from Temu or AliExpress let's me do that, so be it.

[jenthulhu]

My theory about Temu is that the platform allows them to eliminate several middle men between Chinese manufacturers and the Western marketplace. Think about it--there are importer/exporters, distributers, retailers all between the manufacturer and consumer. My guess is that Temu takes a much smaller cut than Western retailers, allowing manufacturers to sell very nearly direct to consumers. 

I used to be a buyer for a small locally-owned greenhouse in the midwest. Because we were so small and buying in such small lots, we were stuck buying our stock from overpriced distributers--and then we had to double the price WE had paid for the goods and hope it would sell to loyal customers who just wanted to buy locally from a place they trusted (the standard retail markup is 100% because of overhead). 

My guess is that in every step along the chain from manufacturer to consumer, there are usually several steps along the line where the price is doubled. THAT is how Temu can sell stuff so cheaply. We all know that Chinese factory workers are underpaid. They are probably dangerous places to work. And under those conditions, they can churn out a lot of product for cheap.

The real question isn't Temu or no-Temu. It's buying products made in China or not. If you buy the same cheap product from Amazon or Target or Walmart you're still supporting the same paradigm--you're just paying more. And in many cases it can't be avoided. Sometimes it's impossible to tell if something is made ethically or not. I'm sure there are good manufacturers in China-- just as sure as I am that there are bad ones here in the West. And perhaps some companies push for good practices while other ignore how their products are made and only concentrate on the bottom line. The problem is--it's nearly impossible for us to know when we buy a crochet hook or a marker or a pad of paper--what were the conditions like in the factory that made it.

It is hypocritical, in my opinion, to criticize someone buying goods from Temu, but then buying something made in the very same factory from Walmart, Target, or Amazon. 

A bigger problem with Temu is that the products aren't well-described. And even bigger--the bald-faced push to buy-buy-buy. I would be surprised if there aren't people addicted to buying on that platform. They know what they are doing.

[starrwilson]

I love Temu. No one complains about dollar tree. Where do they think that stuff comes from? The beads are incredible! The miniatures are awesome! Thanks for this. 💜🙏🏽

[HPNana-]

I use Temu for everything except the ink pads and will continue to do so. I'm 68, retired, live on a fixed budget. I was my parent's caregiver and both passed within 2 years. I took up cardmaking at the end of May and it's my happy place. One of my daughters gifted me the Ohuhu alcohol markers, which I couldn't afford and the Copic markers are way out of my league. I am me and my circumstances, so I need to watch my pennies.

[MaryYoungblood-xyvg]

My friend de-stashed all of her old stash of stamps, blocks, and paper with me. Some of the papers were twenty years old or older. I thought it was Christmas and a hundred birthdays all rolled into one. I loved it. Who needs the newest, brightest, newfangled whatever.

[rhondasavage]

I have talked with others regarding Temu and they are very anti-Temu. Which is fine we all make our own choices. But what gets me is they will use Amazon to purchase the same thing, coming from the same company but pay three times the amount. What’s the difference other than price, nothing. I have purchased some things from Temu and have been really happy with the items, stickers, junk journal supplies. I’m more confident in using Temu than Wish, aliexpress, and Shein.

[TrueLoveX]

Looking at the number of views and comments for a video posted just 8 days ago, you’ve obviously hit on a hot topic. I found this to be thought provoking on a number of levels. Given your long standing experience as a YouTuber, I think you have a unique perspective to share and you did it in classic and appreciated Lyndsay style. ❤

[PatriciaPageMosaicArtsCrafts]

I recently started using temu, the craft supplies are ridiculously cheep in price and i have no problems with the quality so far, to buy large die cuts for a couple of dollars that actually works is a dream come true.

[SewingReport]

Really appreciate you talking about this Lindsay! To date, I have received at least *56 (yes FIFTY SIX) emails* from various people claiming to be with TEMU with an offer for sponsorship / collaboration. This just was a huge turn off and sketchy AF. Like you, I got a weird vibe from this and never responded to any of those emails. I've never bought anything from TEMU, but wouldn't judge people who choose to purchase from there or influencers who promote TEMU. It's just very difficult in this day in age to avoid mass produced items overseas, and I understand the average person probably doesn't have the luxury to source products that are 100% ethically made.
As far as the TEMU haul videos getting tons of views, I am wondering if TEMU may be taking out ads on these videos? Unless the YouTuber specifically unchecks that option while uploading, *anyone* can run your video as an ad.
While I personally shop Amazon a lot, I do not accept free products or do collaborations with Amazon-only storefronts.
I do think we should be a bit skeptical about any random company that suddenly pops on the scene marketing to us makers. Several months ago, I had a rather weird experience with the folks behind the Loklik Crafter electronic cutting machine (Cricut knockoff) and decided to look into the company. That's the same company behind HTVRont. What I found out is that they're under a much larger parent company headquartered in "France" but most of the business activity actually appears to be out of China. The parent company just runs dozens of sketchy ecommerce websites and attempts to appeal to certain audiences.
EDIT: On a few occasions I accepted free products from Arteza but stopped working with this company because they tried to exert an unreasonable level of control over my content, like asking me to change the titles of videos with specific verbiage.

[kimberlysiddons]

I’ve bought a few things from Temu, but it was two dresses, a pair of Halloween shoes and an shirt with a cat on it. So far everything I have purchased from Temu has been good and I have no complaints. I love to craft and I craft everyday, but I have not bought any craft supplies such as stamps or dies in several years. I don’t even watch videos anymore showing new products because they are really nothing more than an advertisement. Someone who gets a product for free from a company and tries to get me to buy that product at an outrageous price, just makes me mad. So I’m done buying stamps and dies. I have heard from my IT person that putting the Temu app on my phone or iPad is not safe……just like tic-tok. I always love to listen to your informative videos and I love that you do not judge anyone for anything they do.

[boyjrr]

I do shop Temu, but I pay with PayPal or Apple Pay, so I’m not giving them my card info.
They have lots of cute stuff for junk journals- paper products and stickers.
And cute everyday pens for writing. I wouldn’t buy anything from them expecting it to be super high quality or professional grade. But for junk journals it’s a good site.

[DontTakeItPersonall]

I have shopped feom temu, and I don't see it any different than shopping at dollar tree, Amazon, (never shopped aliexpress or wish) small edge dies, stamps & stickers. You get a few from dollar tree vs. 50 from temu (numbers are fictitious), but you get the drift. I'm retired & still work 2 jobs, because not old enough to get social security 😂. I try to budget accordingly, because I have a need to eat.

[ReneTheJeepGirl]

Well said Lindsay, especially the part about everything you buy has intangible costs. I have so many craft supplies that I need to actually use before I buy more. So I'm on a mission to watch videos for inspiration and then substitute products I already have. I love when content makers use their old stuff. Half the time I'm like "Oh wow, I have that, I'm going to finally use it."

[thejournalconnection]

Lindsay, thank you so much for having the courage to make videos such as this one. Your honesty and candor is refreshing. I was on the fence about ordering from Temu. I know people who have gotten very cheap mixed media supplies from them; but that very cheap price is what makes me leery. Temu is making their money somewhere/somehow. It might not be by selling dirt cheap products, but it might be by selling people's information or other shady practices (as you mentioned, selling knock offs). And I'm also not judging those who do shop there. EVERYONE is challenged by something - from my six year old nephew who is having a hard time adjusting to school work, to my 71 year old friend who had a stroke, and to everyone in between. Buying from Temu is just night right for me because, even though I have some challenges, being able to support my art supply addictions is not one of them. Love to you and all your followers. 🙂

[tracyguillemette]

Someone is always being exploited if it is cheaper than you would charge to make it! Buy used, recycled, upcycled, antique or do your research for you buy new! Thank you for doing this video (the risk, the research and the emotions)

[gretchenmariee]

Thanks for posting this. I won’t use Temu, one because it’s a new company and the prices are scarily low. There also isn’t a way to track exactly where these products are made and there is some suspicion that the Uyghur people taken into internment camps in China may be forced into labor to make many of these products. I also have heard and seen far too many legitimate companies and artists’ intellectual property, designs and product lines stolen and copied. They won’t be getting my patronage.

[janieb]

I absolutely love your input. Thank you for taking the time to share! I pride myself in not buying retail to keep items out of the landfill and our oceans.